[VSneader2]

I think if the pay out looked like this you would have no problem getting cars or fans. I know I would be there in the stands. I don't know what the fan count was for some of the sprint week shows but I'm guessing it had to be around 3,000. You get a couple sponsors for the payout and you have everything covered, even if the fan count was lower then 3000. I would think by paying $1000 to start you will get a lot more of the lower budget teams to show up. Any thoughts?

Place Payout
1st $15,000
2nd $10,000
3rd $9,000
4th $8,000
5th $7,000
6th $6,000
7th $5,000
8th $4,000
9th $3,000
10th $2,000
11th $1,900
12th $1,800
13th $1,700
14th $1,600
15th $1,500
16th $1,400
17th $1,300
18th $1,200
19th $1,100
20th $1,000
21st (provisional) $1,000
22nd (provisional) $1,000

Total payout $85,500


Pit Pass: $35
Gen Ad: $30


50 cars w/ driver and 3 crew members each $7,000
3000 spectators $90,000

Total gate: $97,000

[KOP]

No promoter is going to pay out $90,000 just to try and make $7,000. That said, you also have to realize of that $7,000 left over in your example, there are other bills to pay that would swallow that 7K in a hurry.

[staggerman]

Originally Posted by VSneader2 I think if the pay out looked like this you would have no problem getting cars or fans. I know I would be there in the stands. I don't know what the fan count was for some of the sprint week shows but I'm guessing it had to be around 3,000. You get a couple sponsors for the payout and you have everything covered, even if the fan count was lower then 3000. I would think by paying $1000 to start you will get a lot more of the lower budget teams to show up. Any thoughts? Place Payout 1st $15,000 2nd $10,000 3rd $9,000 4th $8,000 5th $7,000 6th $6,000 7th $5,000 8th $4,000 9th $3,000 10th $2,000 11th $1,900 12th $1,800 13th $1,700 14th $1,600 15th $1,500 16th $1,400 17th $1,300 18th $1,200 19th $1,100 20th $1,000 21st (provisional) $1,000 22nd (provisional) $1,000 Total payout $85,500 Pit Pass: $35 Gen Ad: $30 50 cars w/ driver and 3 crew members each $7,000 3000 spectators $90,000 Total gate: $97,000

Plus you don't have any tow money for the 28 cars that didn't make the feature. So if you give them a $100 a piece that is another $2800 off your profit.

Face it with the nonwinged crowd it seems the bigger to win the less cars that show. One of the biggest successes for nonwinged cars was the Mopar Million several years ago that had over a 100 entries. The thing that made the Mopar so success full is the purse paid to the guys who did not make the show. Heck I think everyone got at least $200 to put their car on the track and then the payout got bigger from C to B to A. That is the only way you will get a big turn out if everyone gets a piece of the pie not just one race winner.

[SPRINTCAR]

Originally Posted by tjcain58 That's part of the problem right there! Just because you think you can only have non wing races in Indiana! No wonder they only race in Indiana/California heaven forbid trying to grow! That would be crazy to leave the state! Wing cars have only been around for short time but somehow have shoved nw cars to two states. Omg forget it I'm calling ARP wings hello ASCS! Posted via Mobile Device

https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/att...1&d=1280506343
Wing cars have only been around for short time
How long ago was this picture?

[illinisprintfan]

Originally Posted by staggerman Plus you don't have any tow money for the 28 cars that didn't make the feature. So if you give them a $100 a piece that is another $2800 off your profit. Face it with the nonwinged crowd it seems the bigger to win the less cars that show. One of the biggest successes for nonwinged cars was the Mopar Million several years ago that had over a 100 entries. The thing that made the Mopar so success full is the purse paid to the guys who did not make the show. Heck I think everyone got at least $200 to put their car on the track and then the payout got bigger from C to B to A. That is the only way you will get a big turn out if everyone gets a piece of the pie not just one race winner.

When you look at the example numbers listed, the dicey proposition of the money involved promoting a race really comes into focus. I'll admit, as a fan, I don't really grasp all the stuff that has to go into a race to make it happen. I show up, pay my ticket price, enjoy the race, and go home. I've been to races that had very few fans, and didn't really give much of a thought to how it was impacting the promoter/track owner. After reading this, and other posts from promoters/ track owners, it gives me a better appreciation of what these guys do to provide me my preferred form of entertainment/stress relief/therapy.

[MWestfallfan54]

Originally Posted by staggerman Plus you don't have any tow money for the 28 cars that didn't make the feature. So if you give them a $100 a piece that is another $2800 off your profit. Face it with the nonwinged crowd it seems the bigger to win the less cars that show. One of the biggest successes for nonwinged cars was the Mopar Million several years ago that had over a 100 entries. The thing that made the Mopar so success full is the purse paid to the guys who did not make the show. Heck I think everyone got at least $200 to put their car on the track and then the payout got bigger from C to B to A. That is the only way you will get a big turn out if everyone gets a piece of the pie not just one race winner.

I would love to see another Mopar Million.

[Rex W.]

Originally Posted by apexonephoto When I think Knoxville, I think wings. If Indiana has the best tracks, the best "real" sprint cars and the best drivers why haul out to Iowa? If you look at the entry lists for the 360/410 nationals it's drivers from all over the country. Because there is winged "fake" sprint cars all over the country. It's also taken 50 years to get to that point. No Indiana promotor or sanctioning body would want to have a $50,000 dollar race in Indiana that took three days, because other tracks would schedule a pavement/dirt/midget/sprint/whatever race to steal cars/fans/drivers. This would need to be consistent. It would take years to establish, I notice all of the "traditional" Indiana races seem to either not run for a year, change format, change weekends, change car types.... the only certain think is they change. I have always felt that 3 divisions of cars running two surfaces is cutting it a little thin. Also as another post was questioning long term sponsors. If wings do anything, it's to provide a place for someone to lean on while they are writing a check to sponsor "fake" sprint cars... Maybe people think "traditional" sprints cars are old, out of date, slow... The truth is there is a whole lot other states who do just fine with wings. Yes they miss out. USAC races sprints in 10 states. WoO in 20 states and 3 provinces.

Fake Sprint cars?? Last i checked those "fake sprint cars" would still bust someones ass. That's damn near the dumbest phucking thing I've seen someone post on here!

[tjcain58]

Originally Posted by SPRINTCAR https://www.indianaopenwheel.com/att...1&d=1280506343 Wing cars have only been around for short time How long ago was this picture?

that picture was taken well after nw sprints had been around, it has a cage so I'm guessin late 60's! Try agian
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[SPRINTCAR]

Originally Posted by tjcain58 that picture was taken well after nw sprints had been around, it has a cage so i'm guessin late 60's! Try agian posted via mobile device

[hoosierdaddy]

I'm not getting into the wing vs. non-wing debate, but I will say that I WOULD NOT spend $5 to watch any race car @ Knoxville. I personally hate the place and have yet to see a good race there. I've unfortunately seen more people killed there than I have good racing, I'll never go back!