[DAD]

Originally Posted by Quantrill http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/Ca...610_0213827509 I would assum this opens and 2 and closes at 8psi. Would need a relay that will handle fuel pump current.

This switch should do it without the relay, not talking about that many amps. But Most auto relay's will handle a fuel pump I think 4 or 5 amps.

[bobby01]

That is a Vega oil pressure switch. It's the one I use. All you need is a
1\8 inch pipe Tee and a starter switch ( to override pressure switch while starting) I think I spent less than 10 bucks.
As long as you have this safety switch it's as safe as mechincal injection. (hilborn style still has high pressure from pump to barrel valve)
Bobby Layne
2011 MLS Champion

[SteveB31]

This is a great discussion all the way around. What I love about the 1000cc lightning sprints, is that we have many different combinations of chassis, axles, shocks, engines, injection, wheels, and what not all competing against each other. What I like about the Illinois club is that they are trying to keep overall costs down, to allow the best driver/setup win the race. There are a couple lightning sprint clubs that have not done that, and they are primarily having $8k engines in the winning cars. Now, I am not in favor of outlawing one particular engine, or one particular injection, because all that does is lose those cars from racing, since they may not want or be able to change engines or injection. Let all stock engines run with any ECU, or injection run, because I dont feel that a particluar stock engine or injection is going to make you win the race. Last 2 years in our club we had several races won by a car with a stock motor on gas, several races one by a hopped up motor with a 15 year old Hillborn injection on it, several races won by a stock motor with achohol injection with 60 races on it, and a couple races won by a 10 year old stock motor with Hillborn. Point being, none of these races were won by the engine or the injection. They were won by the driver and the setup. None of these guys had cockpit adjustable anything. So I guess I AGREE a little bit with all of you, but I really beleive that in general the best rules packages for 1000cc lightning sprints are the ones that allow ANY stock motor, with any injection (EFI or mechanical). If you don't control the costs, we will eventually not be a low cost racing series any more. But.....if you have too many rules, you alienate all the guys that have something you outlawed, and you have noone left to race. It is all a delicate balance. And yes, I would love to see all the rules the same nationwide, but as was said below, we are pretty close. With a couple small changes, I could run either of my cars (one EFI and 1 Hillborn) with any club in this country. Lets all have a fun season this year, and continue to expand what I still believe is the best open wheel division on dirt for the $$$ spent.

Steve Becker
RMLSA (Colorado)

[DAD]

Originally Posted by SteveB31 This is a great discussion all the way around. What I love about the 1000cc lightning sprints, is that we have many different combinations of chassis, axles, shocks, engines, injection, wheels, and what not all competing against each other. What I like about the Illinois club is that they are trying to keep overall costs down, to allow the best driver/setup win the race. There are a couple lightning sprint clubs that have not done that, and they are primarily having $8k engines in the winning cars. Now, I am not in favor of outlawing one particular engine, or one particular injection, because all that does is lose those cars from racing, since they may not want or be able to change engines or injection. Let all stock engines run with any ECU, or injection run, because I dont feel that a particluar stock engine or injection is going to make you win the race. Last 2 years in our club we had several races won by a car with a stock motor on gas, several races one by a hopped up motor with a 15 year old Hillborn injection on it, several races won by a stock motor with achohol injection with 60 races on it, and a couple races won by a 10 year old stock motor with Hillborn. Point being, none of these races were won by the engine or the injection. They were won by the driver and the setup. None of these guys had cockpit adjustable anything. So I guess I AGREE a little bit with all of you, but I really beleive that in general the best rules packages for 1000cc lightning sprints are the ones that allow ANY stock motor, with any injection (EFI or mechanical). If you don't control the costs, we will eventually not be a low cost racing series any more. But.....if you have too many rules, you alienate all the guys that have something you outlawed, and you have noone left to race. It is all a delicate balance. And yes, I would love to see all the rules the same nationwide, but as was said below, we are pretty close. With a couple small changes, I could run either of my cars (one EFI and 1 Hillborn) with any club in this country. Lets all have a fun season this year, . Steve Becker RMLSA (Colorado)

OK +++++WHO HAS THE $8000,00 hand granade. Or is it just hear say. If the guy is beating you and blows up about ever 5 or 6 races he is probably a hot rod. When you raise the power in these things they don't live too long. If his motor is a couple of years old he is probably stock, and just out racing you. If I'm cheaten and you beat me you have to be cheating. That ain't so but it's the first thing most new people in racing think. Some of these old guys make it look so easy everybody thinks they are cheating. These guys have payed their due's for years. Don't accuse them of cheating ask them to help you out.

I am a shoe string racer. I wont't buy anything that does not make me faster. A lot of people will go out and buy inexpensive shocks for $100.00 bucks apiece. They think their shock problems are over. They don't have enough experience to know that after a season they are worn out. They keep on racing on them and they know them fast guys are cheating. Not so they have them old 8 year old 3 or 4 hundred dolar shocks and have them rebuilt every year, a lot of times when they go back they are told about improvements in valving and simply have them re valved. You can't do that with those inexpensive shocks.

Poor people go out and buy inexpensive furniture, cars, etc and the stuff keeps wearing out and breaking and they buy more junk. The rich guy or smart guy buys quality and it lasts forever and they actually save money by spending money. Quality Advanced Racing Adjustable shocks will save you money in the long run and keep you from chasing your tail with handling problems. A good car will make a jerk look like a real driver a poor handling car will make even old " Smoke " look like a jerk.

A lot of racers have never driven a good car so they have no reference point as to what is right and what is wrong. Ask some of those old cheaters what they think would help you. chances they won't stear you too far off and it might learn you something.

If you can find a couple of minutes to spare GOOGLE MMSA Mini Sprints and read their rules. Probably one of the shortest rule books around and they reallly work.

Honest Dad himself

[bobby01]

Someone spent $8000 dollars on a lightning sprint motor?? I would like to meet this guy I've got some ocean front property in Kansas that's for sale. All I can say is they saw him coming!!
Dad you are right it's 90% set up 5% driver and 5% luck.

Bobby Layne

[DAD]

Originally Posted by bobby01 Someone spent $8000 dollars on a lightning sprint motor?? I would like to meet this guy I've got some ocean front property in Kansas that's for sale. All I can say is they saw him coming!! Dad you are right it's 90% set up 5% driver and 5% luck. Bobby Layne

Bobby if you got the money there are several companys that would be glad to set you up. We have raced with these guys before they are not that much faster, They do make a big mess when they let go. And the poor guy is slow for about a month or so.

Back in the 1200 cc days these motors almost killed mini sprints. Car counts were dropping like a rock. Around here old Allen Ruppenthal of ERC race cars saw potential of these 1000 cc motors. He installed one in one of his cars got the best driver in the area and proceeded to put the woop a** on the old 1200cc cars. These engines were as hot out of the box as one of them "Orent Express" 1200 motors and they lived forever. The only bad thing or maybe good things is they don't take kindly to being hot rodded.

About the best thing you can do for one of them is convert it over to menthanol. It won't help out much in the HP department but it will drop the coolant temp down to where the thermostat can take care of the heat. You "do" need the thermostat for the ecm to know what to do. When they get over hot they go into what they call "Limp Home Mode", and cut back on all the adjustments.

Honest Dad himself

[SteveB31]

Bobby- you are correct. those 1200 cc hopped up motors did almost kill the lightning sprint racing. The BEST thing that ever happened was the 1000cc motors that evolved to be what they are.
Dad- you are correct in that the guy with the hopped up motors used them for 4-6 races then installed another. But, he did win a lot of races, but he had the whole package- hot motor, great car, great setup and great driver.
I am a shoe string guy myself. Just having fun in a great class of cars.
Dad- look forward to meeting you one day. I will have to come out to the midwest and race with y'all sometime. I read the MMSA rules and for the most part I love em.

[DAD]

Originally Posted by SteveB31 Bobby- you are correct. those 1200 cc hopped up motors did almost kill the lightning sprint racing. The BEST thing that ever happened was the 1000cc motors that evolved to be what they are. Dad- you are correct in that the guy with the hopped up motors used them for 4-6 races then installed another. But, he did win a lot of races, but he had the whole package- hot motor, great car, great setup and great driver. I am a shoe string guy myself. Just having fun in a great class of cars. Dad- look forward to meeting you one day. I will have to come out to the midwest and race with y'all sometime. I read the MMSA rules and for the most part I love em.

Sometimes a few rules can say a whole lot. I think the race directors attitude has a whole lot to do with a clubs fortunes. We have areal good team in charge of the MMSA and that helps a lot. Nothing hurts a series more than a one winner all the time and everybody racing for second place. It is their job to prevent this from happening.

We have several 2 day shows this summer and a few of them will be a long haul for a lot of us racers. This would be a good time for some of you guys to come over and race with us at some of the great tracks in the mid-west. With gas being what it is we are all gong to have a tuff time racing this summer. Would be great to meet some of the IOW people. I'm a lot younger than I type.

Honest Dad himself

[dorsettracing10]

Jegs or quickcar makes one also.

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[DAD]

Originally Posted by dorsettracing10 Jegs or quickcar makes one also. Posted via Mobile Device

Low oil pres. cut off switch?