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The IL. Lightning Sprint Series the series for 1000cc mini sprints you can check out their new web site at:www.illinoislightningsprintseries.com for the complete 2012 schedule and rules. Season opener at Peoria Speedway in Peoria IL is on April 14th $400 to win the 20 lap Feature event.

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Your new improved rules look good to me. Wish you guys were a little closser to Indiana. Would love to get up there to run this year, If we can get a deal on gasoline for truck LOL.

I think you might be missing the point on cockpit adjustable shocks, we have been using them for years. We gave up wing adjusters and brake adjusters in favor of the shocks a long time ago. We run without wings ever so often and the shocks sure help out then. The adjustable shocks don't cost any more than a nice body wrap would and add to the performance of the car.

Last year when we came to race with you guys we disconected the shocks to be legal but we didn't own a wing adjuster so we were at a slight disadvantage. Those wing adjusters cost almost as much as the shocks do anyhow. Maybe you could make it either-or but not both and let the better set up win out.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

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Dad. thanks for your reply. We just got done with months of discussions on the gas/alcohol debate. I understand your point but the ILSS have decided no cockpit adjustable shocks in the regular 2012 season. The Lightning Sprint National at the end of the year will have the basic rules for that race about mid season on the ILSS web site. Hope this allows you to come and race with us this season. Check out our schedule on the web site we have a few 2 day raceas a Fri and Sat and some Sat and Sun.

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DAD,
I really like all of your posts, and almost always agree with you, but I dont see how you can say that cockpit adjustable shocks cost less then wing adjusters. You can buy electric wing adjusters for under $100 and unless you flip the car they last forever. I have not located any cockpit adjustable shocks sets for under $100. Where do you get those?

It's interesting that one car's (1) fuel injection on the chopping block. Basically you can spend as much as you want on ECU Mapping, high flow 60lbs injectors, digital fuel pumps, fuel pressure regulators etc... But cant have manual injection... Well not even mechanical, aparently Kinsler you can run. and other brands are ok. But just not engler?

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Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86:
It's interesting that one car's (1) fuel injection on the chopping block. Basically you can spend as much as you want on ECU Mapping, high flow 60lbs injectors, digital fuel pumps, fuel pressure regulators etc... But cant have manual injection... Well not even mechanical, aparently Kinsler you can run. and other brands are ok. But just not engler?

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Bill Felker Racing Engines can convert most throttle bodies over to Methanol, with super trick 60 pound injectors, with air cooled high flow fuel rail, and all machine work for about $600.00. They are almost as good as those "low" tec mechanical types injectors that they have been racing on since the early 50's and a whole lot cheaper. We have used them for 3 years now with to problems. Light weight air filters go for about $275.00.

Englers injectors are like the old zx12r's we don't understand them so we are afraid of them and want to out law them "NOT US" !! WE HIGH-TEC DIGITAL RACERS

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Originally Posted by SteveB31:
DAD,
I really like all of your posts, and almost always agree with you, but I dont see how you can say that cockpit adjustable shocks cost less then wing adjusters. You can buy electric wing adjusters for under $100 and unless you flip the car they last forever. I have not located any cockpit adjustable shocks sets for under $100. Where do you get those?

Good adjustable shocks "do not" cost less but are much more "Cost Effective" to race on.

DID YOU EVER TRY TO RUN A "NON-WING SHOW" WITH A "WING ADJUSTER" ?

Might even want to check into those trick internal wing adjusters wings. Every race supplier out there is trying to get into our wallets that's how they eat and I don't blame them for that. It our job to get what works best for us. For ME the object is to win the race at the slowest speed possible and the least amount of money spent on the race car. If you got the "JACK" go for it and spend as much as you like and do it with MY blessings.

We have had our cockpit shocks for about 8 years now. They are**8** years old. Got them from AJ Felker. We can run any track around with our 4 basic shocks from very very heavy to dri-dri slick. Send them back at the end of the year and get them rebuilt. Even good shocks are dead at the end of a season. If your shocks are older than a season you are fighting yourself, even the best shocks wear out and need attention to work properly. We are pretty fast and a lot of that is because our shocks and maybe our chassis (very limited production FSC units ). We use cockpit adjustable shocks only on the rear end, and have never run a front wing. The money we save on paint we put in handling. The guy that runs through the turns faster usually also gets down the straights faster.

Most people put too much faith in big motors and injectors and that kinda of stuff thinking that will make them faster and end up chasing their tails and making big holes in their expensive motors and spending a lot more money than they need to.

Can you really buy a good shock for less than a hundred dollars? I don't think so. I would rather have a thousand dollars in a good shock package (one time investment) than a thousand dollars in my motor or vinyl graphics, and in the end I'll spend less money to race and hopefully do better job.


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Originally Posted by Bradleyracing86:
It's interesting that one car's (1) fuel injection on the chopping block. Basically you can spend as much as you want on ECU Mapping, high flow 60lbs injectors, digital fuel pumps, fuel pressure regulators etc... But cant have manual injection... Well not even mechanical, aparently Kinsler you can run. and other brands are ok. But just not engler?

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Perhaps just a poor choice of words. I think what they were trying to say was no mechanical injectors for 2013. In order to sell stuff you have to build it up with a whole bunch of "hype" and sometimes this "hype" scares people. They have never figured a way to ban "RICH" people from racing which is what a lot of the rules try to do in a round about way. Some people will morgage theit house to race and be up front. Racing is a very addictive sport, and many people have made a "small fortune" doing it, usually after starting with a "large fortune".

If you require a "SHOCK PACKAGE RULE" there will be somebody spending thousands of dollars having their shocks tricked out and while still appear stock. You can only get so much power out of a given size motor. I can remember back in the early 90's people who were running mechanical injectors at the time crying about those new fangled electronic injectors that were starting to appear on the newer cycle motors. They knew it would cost 10's of thousands of dollars to convert over and would just kill racing.

Well guess what-----they came anyhow and they were a great improvement over the old mechanical type injectors out there but they did not cost as much money as they thought. If a guy wants to run mechanical injectors that should be his deal. He---WILL--- spend more money but the enjoymet he has changing pills for each track and each weather condition and every temperature is "PRICLESS" to him, and he will be having a great time doing it. Why deprive him of his fun by trying to save him a few bucks, go on and let him play with himself and spend his money the way he sees fit. Race clubs are trying to act like the "Federal Government" by wanting to micro manage our racing experience. Can't we just "CHILL A LITTLE". The fewer rules the better for all of us. I don't think rules have ever saved anyone any money and in the long run make it harder to inforce the ones we need to.

Honest Dad himself:6::6:

I know this has been brought up before but wouldn't it be nice to have a national rule book. Have a governing body of one elected person from each group that truly wants to work with other groups and sees the need to bring continuity to our sport. In stead of knee jerk reaction because of hear say or benefitting any one person. Get controlled dyno numbers, cost vs benefit to the racers and some type of 3 year homologation to keep rules consistent for a known time period.

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Good Morning!!

Your right, it is to much to ask for.

We will be back out to pay MMSA a visit this year. I see several dates that will work out very well for us.