[DAD]

Originally Posted by Papa Outlaw I really like the Az. name ...Modified Midgets cause as you have said MANY times WE are nothing more then a motorcycle powered MIDGET...hey wait hold the press///this just in....MOTORCYCLE POWERED CHAIN DRIVEN WINGED MIDGET SPRINTS.... say that 10 times and get back with me..lol....you have a good turkey day Dad?

I always liked "who slit sheets with the sheet slitter's daughter while the sheet slitter was busy slitting sheets"

Try that 10 times fast!

Honest Dad himself

[D.L. 122]

Originally Posted by Jim Gardner I purchased www.LightningSprint.com a while ago with the goal of unifying the organizations/tracks/owners/drivers in discussions and ideas. The site is in development and I'm looking to launch it by the first of the year. If anyone has suggestions on content or use please let me know. I would love to hear some ideas. Posted via Mobile Device

a discussion forum

[penrith1]

Originally Posted by SteveB31 Here is something to think about for Turkey day. We have Indiana Open wheel for non wing sprints , Midgetmadness for midgets, but I was thinking of starting an informational website ONLY for 1000-1200cc upright Lightning sprints. So.....in order to do that I wanted to know how many groups run these cars worldwide. Here is what I know. Please provide information if you can about what other groups are out there. From West to East we have.....CLS in SoCal, BCRA in Northern California, Their is a group in east Utah, The WSLS in western Colo, the RMLSA and Colo 1200s in eastern Colo, the MOLS in Kansas/Missouri area, the MMSA and AMSA in Indiana, the Illinois lighting sprints in Illinois. I know there is lots of racing in Washington state, Pennsilvai, Florida nad where else? What other groups are out there in the USA, and down under that race 1000-1200cc Lightning sprints and what are the websites for these clubs. I think a website JUST for these would be fun, helpful , and possibly help grow the hobby.

Here you go Steve...I have been doing a study..

http://www.litresprintcars.net/
(this will become mid January .com.au )

North Island NZ Mini Sprints
http://www.minisprints.co.nz/

South Island Modified Sprints NZ
http://modifiedsprints.co.nz/

California Lightning Sprints
http://www.calightningsprints.com/

Victorian Mini Sprints
http://www.vicminisprints.com/

Lightning Sprints Tasmania
http://www.lightningsprintstasmania.com/

Queensland Lightning Sprints
http://www.qlsra.com/

Illinois Lightning Sprints
http://illinoislightningsprintseries.com/


Midwest Lightning Sprints
www.midwestlightningsprints.com

Northern Lightning Sprint Association (Canada)
http://www.nlsprints.com/

Lightning Sprints Quebec (Canada)
http://www.amsq-racing.com/

Rocky Mountain Lightning Sprint Association
http://rmlsa.com/


Southern States Lightning Sprints
http://www.sssprints.com/

Western Outlaws Mini Sprints
http://www.westernoutlaws-minisprints.com/

Wisconsin Illinois Mini Sprints
http://www.wimsracing.com/aboutme.html

Northwest Mini Sprints (Washington State)
http://www.demingspeedway.com/

Lightning Sprints South Australia
http://www.lightningsprintssa.com.au/

[the visitor]

Sidewindersprints.com we run in the central Pensylvania area.......

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by the visitor Sidewindersprints.com we run in the central Pensylvania area.......

The sidewinder sprints are not true upright lightning sprints

[DAD]

Originally Posted by Papa Outlaw The sidewinder sprints are not true upright lightning sprints

The advantage the sidewinders have over our larger cars is, They started out as a class in the 50 year old National Modified Midget Association "NMMA" . That is a big head start, but I'm not sure we want to ever be that big.

I would bet that if given a chance to drive a 1000cc midget many of them would find our cars to be a much better race car.

Honest Dad himself

[SteveB31]

Thanks for the info guys. Keep it coming. Look for a good 1000cc-1200cc "Modified Speed lightning midget sprint sidewinder winged non winged chain drive division 2 race car" website coming soon with its own discussion forum on it .

Steve

[the visitor]

Go to the web site .....you can run a micro style chassis or a upright chassis ,it makes the transition from a micro to an upright easier on the pocket book .
In this area is a large 600 micro population and the way the rules are written you can take out your 600 and drop in a 1000 and go racing.....
Sidewindersprints.com

[DAD]

Originally Posted by the visitor Go to the web site .....you can run a micro style chassis or a upright chassis ,it makes the transition from a micro to an upright easier on the pocket book . In this area is a large 600 micro population and the way the rules are written you can take out your 600 and drop in a 1000 and go racing..... Sidewindersprints.com

Well--------I went to the website and printed the rule book vol # 1. 15 pages is a bit long for me. They sure don't subscribe to the "KISS" theory of rule writing.

The "KISS" theory states that when a rule is made some questions must be asked and addressed before the rule is implemented.

1. Is the thing we are going to make illegal really an unfair advantage?

2. Can we check for the legality of this rule easely at the track after the races.

3. Is the rule that is supposed to save money for the racer really going to make racing more expensive because of the expense to make a work around by the racers.

4. Is the rule going to be seen as fair by all racers.

5. Don't make a rule you can not enforce.

Examples:

1. Why do the sidewinder cars have a 50 pound weight advantage over the upright cars?

2. Why is a 225 pound driver at a disadvantage to a 150 pound driver?

3. No ignition modules are traction controls are allowed but people who buy sponsor adds in the groups website would be glad to re map an ecu with these changes included for a nominal charge.

4. No close ratio gears allowed. Very expensive to start with and how would one check for this at the race track?
I think this was an option on some 600 cc builds and was kinda of like a lazy mans way to make a gear change.

5. I got a little lost in the engine age rule. Most cycle engines are denoted by generation. They change a few things every 2 or 3 years so they can sell more bikes.
In order for a racer to have a new low mileage motor will he have to by that motor when it comes out and then sit on it for 2 years so he does not end up with a 20,000 mile clunker when that engine becomes legal? Or are we simply talking about the generation of the motor?

6. Engine claimer rule. $3000.00 is great unless you are talking about my $5000.00 BMW. If the motor is not legal, what then? Put it on EBAY and sell it to some un suspecting guy in MMSA and split the profit or loss with it's owner. Give it back to the owner with instructions to not use it again.

If you claim a guy on the second race and he won the first race, the next two races he is given wins also? We should be able to pair up on that one an really give this rule a work out.

Like Smokey said, "Well you didn't say you couldn't" works for a lot of rules no matter how well intended. Lots of rules usually just make racing more expensive.

Honest Dad himself

[the visitor]

Hey there DAD.....you have a lot of good points there .....
trust me I've tried but the powers that be have a different vision ....
Actually the uprights do better than most of the sidewinder cars , even with the extra wieght espically on the bigger tracks .
Tracks ....we do get to run on some of the good ones
in our area anyway....Williams grove , Lincoln ,Grandveiw
I tell ya , just to be on the track at some of these places is like there's magic in the air ......