[DAD]

America was built with "COMPETITION" the strong win out over the weak. Debate is also a good thing it helps formulate opinions and if done respectfully also brings about change. To date no one has the the perfect solution for Midget or for that mater any other type of racing. Racing will always be regional as grass roots racers tend to stay in their back yards. If a good simple set of rules are devised the grass roots racer will follow them and make adjustments to better suit their particular situation.

No Body has ever written the perfect Country Western Song yet either. All we can do is try.

Honest Dad himself

[DAD]

Originally Posted by cbaumeyer48 Dad.... My apologies.... I started to ask a question then changed my mind. It left a "W" on there. No slang on this one buddy !! Just reading while I sit in the surgeons office!

Chris

According to the dictionary I think you called me George W Bush. Being kind of an insult to us progressive thinkers and all.


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[Bill May]

Dad, You are wrong, Steve Goodman wrote it and David Allen Coe recorded it,
"You never even call me by my Name" check it out on youtube, but, you might want to stay away from some of his other songs. ie. "If that ain't country"

Bill May

[DAD]

Originally Posted by Bill May Dad, You are wrong, Steve Goodman wrote it and David Allen Coe recorded it, "You never even call me by my Name" check it out on youtube, but, you might want to stay away from some of his other songs. ie. "If that ain't country" Bill May

Bill May

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKn5HrKgHQ

Good to see you still around IOW, How did that sprint car do? Best I can remember they had to let Grand Ma out of Prison and she got run over by a Pick Up truck or something like that. Still not perfect in my view. If done right these rules should be on one double spaced sheet of paper. Better yet they could just give you the job "Problem Solved" You would be surprised how well these cars and Mini Sprints race together.

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[Hillbilly95]

When I ran a 305 sprint and then again when I ran a 360 I was pretty sure there were a few people that had a significant advantage in their engines. I ran a bike motor car with the IMRA this year, and I never once seriously considered it. I thought we were well matched with the outcomes of the races being mostly determined by factors other than power.

From my perspective, the rule package for engines is good as-is. There are no major problems to fix.

[DAD]

Originally Posted by Hillbilly95 When I ran a 305 sprint and then again when I ran a 360 I was pretty sure there were a few people that had a significant advantage in their engines. I ran a bike motor car with the IMRA this year, and I never once seriously considered it. I thought we were well matched with the outcomes of the races being mostly determined by factors other than power. From my perspective, the rule package for engines is good as-is. There are no major problems to fix.

Hill

It is hard to believe that a 1000cc motor will run with a motor more than twice its size. We need to keep in mind also that these big motors also have a lot of power left in them, but it would take a lot of money to get this power out of them. We already have people that would like to sell somebody this power. We don't need it to put on a good race. The new motors are already moving up in power without their help. Now if these guys want to take one of these motors to the next stage of tune let them do it racing with the National Midget class.

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[Hillbilly95]

Agreed. It would be wise to protect the parity that we have today. I just don't want to mislead any onlookers to think there are already major issues that need to be solved.

The fun/dollar ratio for this kind of racing is pretty high compared to other things I've been involved in. More people should try it.

As for the bike motors- they are better on some tracks than others. Their weight distribution sometimes offsets the horsepower disadvantage. That situation is much better than I expected it to be. I will be using an R1 again next year. Motor is usually not the limiting factor on where I finish.

[Tom23]

we have been running this deal for 2-3 years, most of the people ******** and gnashing their teeth haven't even run it. Leave it alone, it works. Bike guys win some, shaft cars win some. The good teams and drivers run up front. We run an 06 r1 and have won races on all kinds and sizes of tracks. We've also gotten beat plenty when we weren't right. That's how it's supposed to be. The fun per dollar can't be beat. Run it or don't, but don't tell me that it won't work because we have proven that it will for the last few years.

[stew60]

G'day guys, I'm in Australia so obviously things are a little different here for us but having started racing in the early 90's with a 2lt Toyota 16v wet sump engine, no power steering (9 degrees positive castor haha) and have just gotten back in after 18 years away from the sport, a lot has changed except the discussions(arguments). The idea of limiting engine costs is right and I have had a few conversations with Mike Wallace at MWR and out the Ecotec engines and the IRS series. The tyre rule that IRS uses is pretty good, there's only so much power they can put to the ground so a late model national engine like a Toyota or Esslinger is going to be next to useless compared to a 250-300hp engine. I've got a Gearte with a -12 head and is about 8 years old now? With the talk of banning anything that's not a stock block is a bit harsh because I'd guess there would be a lot of open engines more than 5 years old that aren't up to taking on the likes of USAC or POWRi national competition but are still quality and treated right, reliable and not much more to maintain than a stock block engine within reason? My point is give everybody a fair go and say throw 25lb onto an open engine and take 25lb off the rest? And while the pen is still in hand, ban Ti bolts, drivelines etc.
I hope I've made a bit of sense? I have enjoyed reading what you've all had to say and you are all pretty much saying the same things but just using different words?!
Cheers Stew

[DAD]

Originally Posted by stew60 G'day guys, I'm in Australia so obviously things are a little different here for us but having started racing in the early 90's with a 2lt Toyota 16v wet sump engine, no power steering (9 degrees positive castor haha) and have just gotten back in after 18 years away from the sport, a lot has changed except the discussions(arguments). The idea of limiting engine costs is right and I have had a few conversations with Mike Wallace at MWR and out the Ecotec engines and the IRS series. The tyre rule that IRS uses is pretty good, there's only so much power they can put to the ground so a late model national engine like a Toyota or Esslinger is going to be next to useless compared to a 250-300hp engine. I've got a Gearte with a -12 head and is about 8 years old now? With the talk of banning anything that's not a stock block is a bit harsh because I'd guess there would be a lot of open engines more than 5 years old that aren't up to taking on the likes of USAC or POWRi national competition but are still quality and treated right, reliable and not much more to maintain than a stock block engine within reason? My point is give everybody a fair go and say throw 25lb onto an open engine and take 25lb off the rest? And while the pen is still in hand, ban Ti bolts, drivelines etc. I hope I've made a bit of sense? I have enjoyed reading what you've all had to say and you are all pretty much saying the same things but just using different words?! Cheers Stew

Stew

Good to hear frou you guys south of the equator. I guess you all are just getting ready to go racing we are winding down. The language may change a tad but the concerns remain the same. New racers never even get started after figuring how expensive it is going to be and that is a shame. Midgets racing on a small track have to be close to one of the most entertaining series around. Put them on a 1/2 mile and bigger>>nor so much but a whole lot more dangerous.

I have been on a Hoosier or American racer 10" right Rear campaign for a couple of years now but haven't gotten much traction so to speak Ha Ha. So I have been trying traction control and not writing about it so much. You know hit it hard then back off get a grip and squeeze it down again. Like the little tire they use up in Illinois they would also limit traction but not to the extent of making il like racing on a slick track go kart ride.

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