Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th

Dave Rudisell · 9/10/08, 5:29 PM

The rules are on the mscs site,
46 LEAVING THE TRACK - If you leave the track at any time during a race, other than the A-Main, you cannot return.

1) However, during the A-Main you will be given the opportunity to pit and re-enter the race under a red or yellow flag condition. To be eligible to use the work area in the A-Main during a yellow or red flag, you must have a right front, right rear, or left rear tire that is down or have a nerf bar that is impeding the rolling of a tire on your car.
2) Timing for the number of laps to be counted to wait to restart the race begins when the first car reaches the work area.
3) No adding of fuel will be allowed.

they are a sanction and we will run by thier rules for this event. here is a link to the rules www.mscssprints.com/rules.htm
Thanks, Dave

jd1sprint · 9/10/08, 5:55 PM

Dave, whats the payoff for this race? thanks

Dave Rudisell · 9/10/08, 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1sprint

Dave, whats the payoff for this race? thanks

Its $10,000 to win, the rest i don't know right now. Go to www.mscssprints.com
and there is info there and you can call them.
Thanks, Dave

d17b · 9/10/08, 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell

The rules are on the mscs site,
46 LEAVING THE TRACK - If you leave the track at any time during a race, other than the A-Main, you cannot return.

1) However, during the A-Main you will be given the opportunity to pit and re-enter the race under a red or yellow flag condition. To be eligible to use the work area in the A-Main during a yellow or red flag, you must have a right front, right rear, or left rear tire that is down or have a nerf bar that is impeding the rolling of a tire on your car.
2) Timing for the number of laps to be counted to wait to restart the race begins when the first car reaches the work area.
3) No adding of fuel will be allowed.

they are a sanction and we will run by thier rules for this event. here is a link to the rules www.mscssprints.com/rules.htm
Thanks, Dave

Thanks for responding Dave.

Have you thought about adapting a similar rule for your weekly shows?

I think that some of your low car counts may reflect you current policy of not allowing racers to change tires.

I know this is your first season since getting the track reconfigured and there is some debris still in the racing surface.

I sure you guys will be working on this over the off season, but it sure would be nice to allow some of the fans get a chance to see their favorite drivers finish the race if they had a tire issue in the feature.:thumb

Thanks

Dave Bayless

9/10/08, 6:29 PM

Lets see here I suspect that the drivers that run Midgets will be at Terre Haute. The drivers that run Sprint cars will be at Lawrenceburg. So what does that leave us plenty of drivers at the Burg and the Haute on Oct. 4th. I would guess that there will be 40 cars at Terre Haute and 45 at The Burg the same nite. You folks concerend about the TALENT must not be watching the young drivers in the sprinters right now. This group of under 20 kids is the best there is no questions about it!!!! SO stay home and mope if your worrierd about how good the racings gonna be I know its gonna be good just like all year had been!

Charles Nungester · 9/10/08, 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by d17b

Thanks for responding Dave.

Have you thought about adapting a similar rule for your weekly shows?

I think that some of your low car counts may reflect you current policy of not allowing racers to change tires.

I know this is your first season since getting the track reconfigured and there is some debris still in the racing surface.

I sure you guys will be working on this over the off season, but it sure would be nice to allow some of the fans get a chance to see their favorite drivers finish the race if they had a tire issue in the feature.:thumb

Thanks

Dave Bayless

I agree 100 percent. Air presures are another reason for the flats when they sit and cool them tires go down from about three pounds more than what they hit the track with to a couple pounds less, and they hit the cushion like that. POP right off the bead.

Dave Rudisell · 9/10/08, 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Charles Nungester

I agree 100 percent. Air presures are another reason for the flats when they sit and cool them tires go down from about three pounds more than what they hit the track with to a couple pounds less, and they hit the cushion like that. POP right off the bead.

There are many reason for the rule we have, The biggest is safety, i have heard horror stories of people getting ran over and killed in the pits from cars exciting the track fast trying to get thier car fixed. Also, when someone fast goes off and starts on the tail, accidents happen because he/she is fighting their way to the front in a short period of time. I could go on and on. There are many positives and negative concearning this rule. We will evaluate the rule in the off season and try to come up with a reasonable solution.
Maybe it just me, but it seems to me the only ones who have had tire issues are the guys running up front. Either way thanks for everyones imput and we will work on that issue this winter.
Sincerely, Dave Rudisell

Dave Rudisell · 9/10/08, 6:58 PM

One more thing, I really don't think this rule is keeping any racers away, No racer is going to anticipate being in the feature and have a tire go down. More times than not, if you have a tire go down and leave the track and start on the tail you are not going to win that race. There are a few that could do this, but not alot!
Take care, Dave

mtek56 · 9/10/08, 7:07 PM

Agree this track rule needs to be changed. I've seen too many races their where the tire goes flat because of the lengthy red. The racing has been awesome but to lose some of the front runners and hard chargers because of a flat tire is wrong. Anyone at the burg who saw Bacon charge from the rear to finish 6th with the USAC midgets would agree that this rule needs to be changed.

d17b · 9/10/08, 8:02 PM

Dave,

Thanks for listening and having an open mind in regards to reviewing the tire rule over the winter.

Hope you and your group can come up with some type of solution.

I appreciate you coming on here and having an open cival discussion, more times than not it seems like that it is difficult to do that here.

I do know for a fact that the rule has weighed on various teams decisions not to make the trip down.

It is not the anticipation of a tire going down in the feature, it is the opportunity to have a chance to obtain the results you were looking for, ultimately a win.
I will take a second chance anytime, to make that happen.

If you were to ask most of the fans, I think they would rather see a Schuremburg, a Stanbrough a Bland or a Bacon charging from the back of the pack after they had a flat and changed it, rather than not seeing them participate in the feature after such an incident.

P.S. dont tell a true racer he doesn't have a chance to win from the back, you might just make him mad. Some of the best races I have witnessed are when a hot shoe is in the back working their way to the front with the hope of winning.........

Thanks

Dave Bayless

9/10/08, 5:29 PM	#21 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
Dave Rudisell Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,372	The rules are on the mscs site, 46 LEAVING THE TRACK - If you leave the track at any time during a race, other than the A-Main, you cannot return. 1) However, during the A-Main you will be given the opportunity to pit and re-enter the race under a red or yellow flag condition. To be eligible to use the work area in the A-Main during a yellow or red flag, you must have a right front, right rear, or left rear tire that is down or have a nerf bar that is impeding the rolling of a tire on your car. 2) Timing for the number of laps to be counted to wait to restart the race begins when the first car reaches the work area. 3) No adding of fuel will be allowed. they are a sanction and we will run by thier rules for this event. here is a link to the rules www.mscssprints.com/rules.htm Thanks, Dave

9/10/08, 5:55 PM	#22 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
jd1sprint Member Race Count This Year: 6 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 135	Dave, whats the payoff for this race? thanks

9/10/08, 6:29 PM	#25 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
Peter Griffin Posts: n/a	Lets see here I suspect that the drivers that run Midgets will be at Terre Haute. The drivers that run Sprint cars will be at Lawrenceburg. So what does that leave us plenty of drivers at the Burg and the Haute on Oct. 4th. I would guess that there will be 40 cars at Terre Haute and 45 at The Burg the same nite. You folks concerend about the TALENT must not be watching the young drivers in the sprinters right now. This group of under 20 kids is the best there is no questions about it!!!! SO stay home and mope if your worrierd about how good the racings gonna be I know its gonna be good just like all year had been!

9/10/08, 6:58 PM	#28 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
Dave Rudisell Inactive Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,372	One more thing, I really don't think this rule is keeping any racers away, No racer is going to anticipate being in the feature and have a tire go down. More times than not, if you have a tire go down and leave the track and start on the tail you are not going to win that race. There are a few that could do this, but not alot! Take care, Dave

9/10/08, 7:07 PM	#29 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
mtek56 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 605	Agree this track rule needs to be changed. I've seen too many races their where the tire goes flat because of the lengthy red. The racing has been awesome but to lose some of the front runners and hard chargers because of a flat tire is wrong. Anyone at the burg who saw Bacon charge from the rear to finish 6th with the USAC midgets would agree that this rule needs to be changed.

9/10/08, 8:02 PM	#30 Re: Lawrenceburg-MSCS-Oct 4th
d17b Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 20	Dave, Thanks for listening and having an open mind in regards to reviewing the tire rule over the winter. Hope you and your group can come up with some type of solution. I appreciate you coming on here and having an open cival discussion, more times than not it seems like that it is difficult to do that here. I do know for a fact that the rule has weighed on various teams decisions not to make the trip down. It is not the anticipation of a tire going down in the feature, it is the opportunity to have a chance to obtain the results you were looking for, ultimately a win. I will take a second chance anytime, to make that happen. If you were to ask most of the fans, I think they would rather see a Schuremburg, a Stanbrough a Bland or a Bacon charging from the back of the pack after they had a flat and changed it, rather than not seeing them participate in the feature after such an incident. P.S. dont tell a true racer he doesn't have a chance to win from the back, you might just make him mad. Some of the best races I have witnessed are when a hot shoe is in the back working their way to the front with the hope of winning......... Thanks Dave Bayless