Why Not in Indiana?

OpenwheelRob · 1/28/08, 6:13 PM

I would be for this series. This is something the sprint world has needed for some time now. I know some people say, if you don't have the funds find something else to race! Well this could be something else to race. Not everyone can afford to put one of these monsters together, I was asking around the Burg and a past car owner I talked to asked me, "Do you have $100,000 in the bank?" I said "no", he said "buy a bass boat". I said "I don't like to fish." He said I should find something else to do then.

I look at the crate late models and how they took off over the past couple years. They are having some problems policing these now, but it does prove that there is a market for a lower cost series. I think it would work.

Dwight Clock · 1/28/08, 6:29 PM

Somewhere along the line this thread got way off track. It was supposed to be about what the local high schools in CA did to get the students involved in racing and whether or not we could do that here with a limited sprint car class. It was NOT about starting an open 305 class at the local tracks. About teaching the students how to operate a race team from building cars to getting sponsors to maintenance aand all other aspects of running a team. Please go back and read the first post and the article again.

AERO410SCJA · 1/28/08, 7:27 PM

First you would need a Limited sprint car class.ie 305 or 360 or 358 or 355:confused:

Koonzee · 1/28/08, 8:03 PM

I can tell you first hand about the Ohio 305 classes. We built the first car ever at Attica. Joe Keegan drove,I drove,we both owned,and wrenched for years.We won Championships and until the Mike Linder era(LOL) Joe was the leading all time feature winner. . At first there were only 3 cars,one being MSCS founder Sam Stockton. It was a great idea at first BUT, simply put the price today is as out of hand as anything else. The current cost of a 305 is $16,000 for a competetive engine, Gressmen,Kistler,Griff ect,ect. It only pays 500 to win. It only works as a starter class if you STICK to the early rules Attica once had. Steel wheels,No power steering, no nose wings, stock motors, small injectors, no down nozzles,ect,ect.,ect,most guys made a couple sets of tires last all season. But, MOST IMPORTANT you MUST have an extremely sharp, full time,non -biased tech guy, GOOD LUCK on that one,LOL.

By the way I've sunk more into a winged 305 car in a season then many of your non-wing 410 guys spend today . Tony Beaber won a championship at Lawrenceburg spending less then the Fremont 305 champ spent that year.If I had to do it all over again with what I know now, I'd build a car for Paragon, even with a fair 305 you would learn more, have more fun and loose enough money to fit right in with the big boys. As Funk says you've got the best racing in the country now , all this will do is dilute your 410 class. If you can't afford to race at Paragon, you can't afford a 305 either.

RacinFool · 1/28/08, 8:05 PM

I will agree sprint car racing costs $$ BUT!.......... The most important ingriedent is drive and ambition with the willingness to put everything aside in pursuit of that dream. As we all know spint car drivers are a determind lot.:checkered:

Tony74 · 1/28/08, 8:07 PM

Dwight,
That is a promising way to get more youth involved. What I have seen from folks coming thru college that want to peruse careers in motor sports the single biggest problem is experience! Those that have it can find (though it can be hard) jobs with teams, but those that don

Wolfe-e · 1/28/08, 10:38 PM

Mr. Clock, I appoligize if I got your post off track. Again, it was pure coincidence that someone had just called me about something along the same lines. I do find it extremly interesting that your post was at 8;30 and mine a little after 9. In just over 24 hrs this thread has had over a 1000 hits. THATS Real Interest!, and remember we are in the Hart of 410 Sprint Country. Agian, it would be hard to make it work here, but it will to some degree and at the neighboring tracks in Ill. I think they would Thrive. I agree 100 percent that it would help to get kids involved, in all fazes of racing. I also agree that Tech is the key. Keep it Simple, Keep it Cheap and Make it Fun. As far as I;m concerned, If there is enough interest, I;ll help put it togather, if I;m asked.... Oh and as for those who think it will never work. Well they said I;d never Make the WolfPack Challenge work for the Mods either, some are still saying it won;t. Now we are starting our 7th year!

torqueball · 1/28/08, 11:26 PM

Everything is simple, cheap, and fun until you start keepin score.

If someones got the money to get an edge they'll spend it, then the next guy, then the next guy, etc......all of the sudden your spending comparable to the real deal for half the purse.

Im not sayin this wont work. Im all for everyone gettin a chance to bolt into a sprintcar....but will the guy winning these races be saving money compared to running a local 410 program.

Dwight Clock · 1/29/08, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfe-e

Mr. Clock, I appoligize if I got your post off track. Again, it was pure coincidence that someone had just called me about something along the same lines. I do find it extremly interesting that your post was at 8;30 and mine a little after 9. In just over 24 hrs this thread has had over a 1000 hits. THATS Real Interest!, and remember we are in the Hart of 410 Sprint Country. Agian, it would be hard to make it work here, but it will to some degree and at the neighboring tracks in Ill. I think they would Thrive. I agree 100 percent that it would help to get kids involved, in all fazes of racing. I also agree that Tech is the key. Keep it Simple, Keep it Cheap and Make it Fun. As far as I;m concerned, If there is enough interest, I;ll help put it togather, if I;m asked.... Oh and as for those who think it will never work. Well they said I;d never Make the WolfPack Challenge work for the Mods either, some are still saying it won;t. Now we are starting our 7th year!

No problem Wolfe-e. It generated some great discussion. It's all good!

Bill May · 1/29/08, 11:01 AM

Everything Koonzee said is right, He just didn't say it all, approx. 3/4 of the 410 drivers on any regular nite at Attica & Fremont came out of the 305 division which was the point of this thread,"the development of drivers" That part is working, not my opinion, the stats show it.
True, it's not what Koonzee helped start,costs have gotten out of hand, strict enforcement of rules is critical, look at what the Pa and VA 305's are doing, not spending as much money, having just as much fun while learning all the aspects of sprint car racing, The best will advance, the others will be content where they are or drop out, so goes sprint car racing.

1/28/08, 6:13 PM	#21 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
OpenwheelRob Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 156	I would be for this series. This is something the sprint world has needed for some time now. I know some people say, if you don't have the funds find something else to race! Well this could be something else to race. Not everyone can afford to put one of these monsters together, I was asking around the Burg and a past car owner I talked to asked me, "Do you have $100,000 in the bank?" I said "no", he said "buy a bass boat". I said "I don't like to fish." He said I should find something else to do then. I look at the crate late models and how they took off over the past couple years. They are having some problems policing these now, but it does prove that there is a market for a lower cost series. I think it would work.

1/28/08, 6:29 PM	#22 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
Dwight Clock Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,233	Somewhere along the line this thread got way off track. It was supposed to be about what the local high schools in CA did to get the students involved in racing and whether or not we could do that here with a limited sprint car class. It was NOT about starting an open 305 class at the local tracks. About teaching the students how to operate a race team from building cars to getting sponsors to maintenance aand all other aspects of running a team. Please go back and read the first post and the article again.

1/28/08, 7:27 PM	#23 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
AERO410SCJA Senior Member Race Count This Year: 24 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,131	First you would need a Limited sprint car class.ie 305 or 360 or 358 or 355:confused:

1/28/08, 8:03 PM	#24 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
Koonzee Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 364	I can tell you first hand about the Ohio 305 classes. We built the first car ever at Attica. Joe Keegan drove,I drove,we both owned,and wrenched for years.We won Championships and until the Mike Linder era(LOL) Joe was the leading all time feature winner. . At first there were only 3 cars,one being MSCS founder Sam Stockton. It was a great idea at first BUT, simply put the price today is as out of hand as anything else. The current cost of a 305 is $16,000 for a competetive engine, Gressmen,Kistler,Griff ect,ect. It only pays 500 to win. It only works as a starter class if you STICK to the early rules Attica once had. Steel wheels,No power steering, no nose wings, stock motors, small injectors, no down nozzles,ect,ect.,ect,most guys made a couple sets of tires last all season. But, MOST IMPORTANT you MUST have an extremely sharp, full time,non -biased tech guy, GOOD LUCK on that one,LOL. By the way I've sunk more into a winged 305 car in a season then many of your non-wing 410 guys spend today . Tony Beaber won a championship at Lawrenceburg spending less then the Fremont 305 champ spent that year.If I had to do it all over again with what I know now, I'd build a car for Paragon, even with a fair 305 you would learn more, have more fun and loose enough money to fit right in with the big boys. As Funk says you've got the best racing in the country now , all this will do is dilute your 410 class. If you can't afford to race at Paragon, you can't afford a 305 either.

1/28/08, 8:05 PM	#25 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
RacinFool Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 612	I will agree sprint car racing costs $$ BUT!.......... The most important ingriedent is drive and ambition with the willingness to put everything aside in pursuit of that dream. As we all know spint car drivers are a determind lot.:checkered:

1/28/08, 8:07 PM	#26 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
Tony74 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 945	Dwight, That is a promising way to get more youth involved. What I have seen from folks coming thru college that want to peruse careers in motor sports the single biggest problem is experience! Those that have it can find (though it can be hard) jobs with teams, but those that don

1/28/08, 10:38 PM	#27 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
Wolfe-e Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 124	Mr. Clock, I appoligize if I got your post off track. Again, it was pure coincidence that someone had just called me about something along the same lines. I do find it extremly interesting that your post was at 8;30 and mine a little after 9. In just over 24 hrs this thread has had over a 1000 hits. THATS Real Interest!, and remember we are in the Hart of 410 Sprint Country. Agian, it would be hard to make it work here, but it will to some degree and at the neighboring tracks in Ill. I think they would Thrive. I agree 100 percent that it would help to get kids involved, in all fazes of racing. I also agree that Tech is the key. Keep it Simple, Keep it Cheap and Make it Fun. As far as I;m concerned, If there is enough interest, I;ll help put it togather, if I;m asked.... Oh and as for those who think it will never work. Well they said I;d never Make the WolfPack Challenge work for the Mods either, some are still saying it won;t. Now we are starting our 7th year!

1/28/08, 11:26 PM	#28 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
torqueball Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 52	Everything is simple, cheap, and fun until you start keepin score. If someones got the money to get an edge they'll spend it, then the next guy, then the next guy, etc......all of the sudden your spending comparable to the real deal for half the purse. Im not sayin this wont work. Im all for everyone gettin a chance to bolt into a sprintcar....but will the guy winning these races be saving money compared to running a local 410 program.

1/29/08, 11:01 AM	#30 Re: Why Not in Indiana?
Bill May Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 982	Everything Koonzee said is right, He just didn't say it all, approx. 3/4 of the 410 drivers on any regular nite at Attica & Fremont came out of the 305 division which was the point of this thread,"the development of drivers" That part is working, not my opinion, the stats show it. True, it's not what Koonzee helped start,costs have gotten out of hand, strict enforcement of rules is critical, look at what the Pa and VA 305's are doing, not spending as much money, having just as much fun while learning all the aspects of sprint car racing, The best will advance, the others will be content where they are or drop out, so goes sprint car racing.