[Barney]

Originally Posted by mac miller Certainly, another major "time waster" is "red flag time" followed by another round of "push truck time". This problem could be solved a couple of ways, in addition to self starters. First, by not, automatically, throwing the red flag every time some bozo flips his car... Second, by adopting the new super silver crown style bodywork for all sprints and midgets. By putting on the fully enclosed, east coast modified style bodies, you can reduce the amount of wheel to wheel contact resulting in fewer flips. As far as I know, in two years, none of the 14 or 15 fabulous new super silver crown cars has ever flipped. A lot of wasted time is caused by uncounted yellow flag laps. The show could be speeded up considerably by scoring all yellow flag laps... When I started in the 60s, a standard feature was a very time consuming 40 laps on a half mile track. A great improvement in time savings has been created with the current 25 or 30 lap features on quarter mile tracks. Additional time savings could be realized by cutting the feature lengths down to 15 or 20 laps. Another major "time waster" is track conditions. I have sat through hours of midshow watering, scraping, rolling, and patching, trying to save poorly prepared dirt tracks...... The obvious solution to this time (and fuel) consuming activity is to PAVE IT! Finally, The 800 pound gorilla of wasted time at the track! Hours and hours of "sportsmanhobbypickuptruckmodifiedstocks" that you have to sit through to get to the sprint car feature. Get rid of them! __________________________________________________ _______________________________ http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4029077

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
No comment.

[1021gpa]

Originally Posted by grumpy racer Yea and 10 car feilds that will speed it up for sure:headbang::headbang:

gee that would be like the kiss race i went to at twin cities in 07..

[Dyno Don]

Originally Posted by mac miller Purty simple solution, dyno........... SELF STARTERS! If these new guys are really serious, that would be a great place to start..... sprints and midgets..... effective immediately........ no excuses, all of the hardware has been invented for years. Another great time saver would be a "spin and you're out" rule..... unless, of course, you can get going, again. with your SELF STARTER!

They tried self starters on Midgets several years ago. They worked pretty good on short tracks, but had major problems on the larger tracks.

I remember one day at Winchester, even though the field had self starters, they still had to be pushed off. The gear they ran at larger tracks was so high that they could not pull the cars out of the pits by their self. That was the main reason starters went away.

And I ask again, does USAC require a certain amount of support vehicles?

[9racing]

Originally Posted by NJDMONEY Does anyone else see the irony in the guy with the screen name "NineRacing" complaining about the higher costs?

Well I dont.. I will be fielding my own Sprint car, Number 9 this year.. So what are you Implying? I work at a glass factory and Work my ass off to have the car that i Have! thank you..

Nick Patterson

[mac miller]

Originally Posted by Dyno Don That was the main reason starters went away.

HA! Great excuse!..... not much of a reason.

Originally Posted by Dyno Don And I ask again, does USAC require a certain amount of support vehicles?

Maybe usac should just require each entry to provide their own push truck. problem solved.

[smbpreformance]

Originally Posted by mac miller Certainly, another major "time waster" is "red flag time" followed by another round of "push truck time". This problem could be solved a couple of ways, in addition to self starters. First, by not, automatically, throwing the red flag every time some bozo flips his car... Second, by adopting the new super silver crown style bodywork for all sprints and midgets. By putting on the fully enclosed, east coast modified style bodies, you can reduce the amount of wheel to wheel contact resulting in fewer flips. As far as I know, in two years, none of the 14 or 15 fabulous new super silver crown cars has ever flipped. A lot of wasted time is caused by uncounted yellow flag laps. The show could be speeded up considerably by scoring all yellow flag laps... When I started in the 60s, a standard feature was a very time consuming 40 laps on a half mile track. A great improvement in time savings has been created with the current 25 or 30 lap features on quarter mile tracks. Additional time savings could be realized by cutting the feature lengths down to 15 or 20 laps. Another major "time waster" is track conditions. I have sat through hours of midshow watering, scraping, rolling, and patching, trying to save poorly prepared dirt tracks...... The obvious solution to this time (and fuel) consuming activity is to PAVE IT! Finally, The 800 pound gorilla of wasted time at the track! Hours and hours of "sportsmanhobbypickuptruckmodifiedstocks" that you have to sit through to get to the sprint car feature. Get rid of them! __________________________________________________ _______________________________ http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4029077

Is this guy serious or do we even follow the same sport?

[NEDAPSH]

Would someone tell me why everytime someone complains about a sprintcar/midget show running to long its always the push trucks fault. Correct me if I'm wrong but at 99% of the racetracks being a push truck is a volunteer position. The only thing that you get out of it is a pit pass and a lot of dirt thrown at you. They might throw in a few bucks for gas thats about it. When you break my window from pulling away from me because your pissed off that you spun out or dent my hood because your tires are covered in mud after hot laps you don't hear me complaining about it. Just accept the fact that thats the way it goes sometimes. Maybe the next time the show is running too late for the push trucks we should just leave. I have a job to go to just like you. If you want more push trucks then the track or your association should hire some otherwise you get what you get.

Originally Posted by NEDAPSH Would someone tell me why everytime someone complains about a sprintcar/midget show running to long its always the push trucks fault. Correct me if I'm wrong but at 99% of the racetracks being a push truck is a volunteer position. The only thing that you get out of it is a pit pass and a lot of dirt thrown at you. They might throw in a few bucks for gas thats about it. When you break my window from pulling away from me because your pissed off that you spun out or dent my hood because your tires are covered in mud after hot laps you don't hear me complaining about it. Just accept the fact that thats the way it goes sometimes. Maybe the next time the show is running too late for the push trucks we should just leave. I have a job to go to just like you. If you want more push trucks then the track or your association should hire some otherwise you get what you get.

Push trucks and drivers should be provided by the sanctioning body. That way if there are any complaints or problems they can be resolved inhouse and not in places like this.

The only "self starters" allowed in midget/sprint racing should be those on the pushtrucks.

The spin rules should be two and through UNLESS the spin you made was to avoid nailing an accident that happened infront of you. I would make an exception for that and that only.

Limit support clases for sure. If a midget/sprint double header is scheduled then only a late model or modified class. If only a midget or sprint car race then late model and modifieds should be scheduled.

Cosanctioned events would be the best thing for USAC to do. Put USAC up against POWRi, BMARA, ARDC, RMMRA and lets see who does have the best of the best. Start a USAC stock car series again. There are lots of good used NASCAR cars available now with the COT coming in. USAC can take the stock cars to places liek IRP, THAT, Manzy, PIR, and any other track possible. It would help provide another chance for USAC drivers working their way up through USAC before making the inevitable jump to NASCAR.

Just a few ideas.

[sprntr]

Originally Posted by mac miller HA! Great excuse!..... not much of a reason. Maybe usac should just require each entry to provide their own push truck. problem solved.

Actually this is pretty much the situation with the IMCA Sprints. While they don't require us to have ATVs, almost all do and we push start our own cars. Arlington (MN) Speedway provides NO PUSH TRUCKS. Any 4wd ATV, 400 cc or larger will push start a 410 Sprinter as long as there is adequate traction.

If USAC is serious about wanting to improve the "flow of the show" they should attend a couple of "Interstate Racing Association" Sprint Car races up in Wisconsin. Best safety team & race support in short track racing! These people have their stuff together.

[SHORTBUS]

Originally Posted by mac miller Certainly, another major "time waster" is "red flag time" followed by another round of "push truck time". This problem could be solved a couple of ways, in addition to self starters. First, by not, automatically, throwing the red flag every time some bozo flips his car... Second, by adopting the new super silver crown style bodywork for all sprints and midgets. By putting on the fully enclosed, east coast modified style bodies, you can reduce the amount of wheel to wheel contact resulting in fewer flips. As far as I know, in two years, none of the 14 or 15 fabulous new super silver crown cars has ever flipped. A lot of wasted time is caused by uncounted yellow flag laps. The show could be speeded up considerably by scoring all yellow flag laps... When I started in the 60s, a standard feature was a very time consuming 40 laps on a half mile track. A great improvement in time savings has been created with the current 25 or 30 lap features on quarter mile tracks. Additional time savings could be realized by cutting the feature lengths down to 15 or 20 laps. Another major "time waster" is track conditions. I have sat through hours of midshow watering, scraping, rolling, and patching, trying to save poorly prepared dirt tracks...... The obvious solution to this time (and fuel) consuming activity is to PAVE IT! Finally, The 800 pound gorilla of wasted time at the track! Hours and hours of "sportsmanhobbypickuptruckmodifiedstocks" that you have to sit through to get to the sprint car feature. Get rid of them! BACKYARD. __________________________________________________ _______________________________ http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumList?u=4029077

OR YOU COULD GET YOURSELF A LITTLE PRETEND CAR & PLAY IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD.