[Backitin]

Theres no way you could build a brand new car for the 7000.00 mentioned. Not the quality of a tobias car. They were known for years for quality modifieds.
A lot of the tracks around here are 1/4 mile.
I would imagine the modified guys are into because it's way more fun then wheeling a $ 50,000.00 mudbus.
ANY nonwing racing around here is worth getting excited over. I'd go watch 35 STR cars race around our local track every weekend spec class or not. As it is you couldn't get me out to a local track, nothing but mudbus's and fenders.
I have a good feeling that these cars will be around for a while, tobias also started the slingshot series years ago also a spec class and going very strong.
For Sale, one slightly used race car museum. lightly crashed.

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by DAD Charles the old L Burg would be Ideal for the little cars we put on some pretty good races with the 1200 cars when it was a 1/4 mile. The new track is just to darned big for this type of car to race on and put on a wheel to wheel race. It generally ended up at the new track with every body racing themselves with 5 car lengths between each car. Mini Sprints don't race there anymore. Honest Dad himself

I disagree, Old burg was still way to big for em. I'll not go into the not liking Mini's etc. Just to say the only time I seen em I found them exciting was at the Old Portsmouth under the bridge that the front straight and back straight were only 50ft apart. They backed em in, got em sideways, and pulled left fronts if not both there.

[Backitin]

One thing I know about minisprints is that mine is as useless as teats on a boar hog around here.
The smart thing for me to do would be to get a 600 micro and race at Hamlin PA. Its a nice track and they have a rookie class that would be fun for my daughter. Plus its only a hour or so away.

[DICK DRAGON]

Originally Posted by Backitin The smart thing for me to do would be to get a 600 micro and race at Hamlin PA. Its a nice track and they have a rookie class that would be fun for my daughter. Plus its only a hour or so away.

You know of Hamlin Speedway, but you've never heard of Kutztown? You don't get out much, do you? The SpeedSTR weekly program @ Kutztown pays $2000 to win, this is why so many Modified, Sprint Car & Late Model guys have one. Also, they race on Wednesday nights in the Summer, while school is out. They are a cheap race car & Richie Tobias has a very good purse! In comparison, Albany-Saratoga Speedway in Malta NY is a Big Block Modified weekly track, the Mods race for $1500 to win. Cost of a Big Block Mod is a hell of a lot more than a SpeedSTR!

[DAD]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester I disagree, Old burg was still way to big for em. I'll not go into the not liking Mini's etc. Just to say the only time I seen em I found them exciting was at the Old Portsmouth under the bridge that the front straight and back straight were only 50ft apart. They backed em in, got em sideways, and pulled left fronts if not both there.

Charles

You might think The old L was too big for Mini Sprints, But the Mini Sprints were turning laps as fast or faster than the 410 Sprints that were running there at the same time. Not so at the new track. Big tracks need big Horsepower and big Horsepower cost Big Bucks. If we get the track size down to a 1/4 mile all of a sudden low dollar teams become competitive and car count and crowds will increase.

The day of the V8 Motor is over in the real world, replaced by very efficient smaller 4 and even 3 cylinder motors. When people go to the race track to watch stock cars race they want to see how their car perform at the race track. Nobody but me still drive Crown Vic's and Impala's.

Old L Burg was an example of where track size takes away the horsepower advantage. When little 200 HP Mini Sprints could clock the same times as 800 HP Sprints you can assume it was probably something to do with track size. The new track is great for Sprint Cars and Late model's but finding support classes to also race is a challenge.

Honest Dad himself

[Backitin]

Actually I'm out most the time. I spend most of my time off grid in the Adirondack's.
When I am in PA, well we had speedway racing going on.
I don't agree with the v/8 comments, they'll never go out of style.
People come out to see the big blocks, and tolerate the four cylinder stocks because they have to.
Theres nothing like a 8, that's why 410's are top of the food chain, not midgets.

[Kellen Conover]

Originally Posted by DAD Old L Burg was an example of where track size takes away the horsepower advantage. When little 200 HP Mini Sprints could clock the same times as 800 HP Sprints you can assume it was probably something to do with track size. Honest Dad himself

The lap times were the same, but you are also talking about a car that once you pulled out on the track you didn't lift as compared to one you had to. While I preferred the old track, it did race much larger than it was.

That being said and more to the point of the original post, i'm surprised that more people didn't contact Mr. Tobias when going the D2 route, seems like he has an entire bolt in/proven engine package there. I enjoy watching the Speedstr videos online.

[Backitin]

Originally Posted by Kellen Conover The lap times were the same, but you are also talking about a car that once you pulled out on the track you didn't lift as compared to one you had to. While I preferred the old track, it did race much larger than it was. That being said and more to the point of the original post, i'm surprised that more people didn't contact Mr. Tobias when going the D2 route, seems like he has an entire bolt in/proven engine package there. I enjoy watching the Speedstr videos online.

I agree, the STR's really look like a pretty good deal. In the 70's tobias speed built a great modified and I would imagine the STR is a great little car. Toby Tobias was also a very good driver eventually losing his life at Flemington in a USAC sprintcar.
I will say if you were to run one where the modified guys are, good luck. Just take Billy Pauch for example. Most people consider him the best to ever wheel a modified. Ray Everham was asked in a interview a while back who was the best driver he ever saw. Everyone expected him to say Gordon, he said Pauch.

[the visitor]

Backitin ............if you live in the PA....NY area , your just not looking hard enough ..Empire Lightning sprints has a decent schedule in the NY area at some really good tracks and there is a small group that is supposed to be having a couple of races at GVAT sometime this year .......
There are races for lightning sprints happening in your area !!!!!

[Backitin]

Are there nonwing races in my area ? Theres one with Empire sprints hardly worth buying tires for. Might be up in Canada, I was asked not to come back the last time I was there.
I wont bother running winged, I'd rather find something else to do.
I'm just saying its a sad state of affairs when theres only one track within 2 1/2 hrs of me that runs wingless and that's 600's.