[DonMoore10]

I represent the thousands of race car teams (all types) across the country that scrape together enough money to keep a race team going. You represent a small elite minority. Congratulations. Anything else you want to talk down to me and the others that aren't multi-millionaires with multiple sponsors?

[throb]

why does every other post on the site anymore turn into a bickering match? its nice to have differing opinions but it seems that some folks on here really want to start a fight with almost every post they put on here.........im a perfect example of someone who has been run out of the sport because of cost.....maybe some day i will be back....but im not bitter about it.....i just have to be happy that i am still in some way involved in the sport. i will always be a fan at heart so no matter what they can never take that away!

[throb]

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 I represent the thousands of race car teams (all types) across the country that scrape together enough money to keep a race team going. You represent a small elite minority. Congratulations. Anything else you want to talk down to me and the others that aren't multi-millionaires with multiple sponsors?

this post should come with a disclaimer......the views represented by some on this board do not represent my views or concerns.......


and by the way......i would like to express my opinion that nobody represents me on matters concerning money. im sure if you look into it the hoffmans are on the low side of teams spending mega money in usac.......

[6157]

Originally Posted by Kevin Miller We have? Not that I was aware of?

Don't mind Don. He thinks everyone, that thinks he's a raving lunatic with way too much time on his hands, is a USAC employee.

Most of us just don't want to be attacked pointlessly by him, while the mods do nothing about it.

[badgerfan]

" If a rival tire company could build a tire that lasted 5 races AND was competitive don't you think they would? Everyone would want the tire that lasted and that tire company could corner the market and eliminate the competition."

How does that competition work where many of the sanctions have in effect given a given company an effective monopoly? And I certainly don't see many competitors "on the local level" (and I mainly see Badger and Powri racing) remain competitive over multiple nights on the same tires.

I'm only a fan and not an owner or team member but sometimes I wonder if its not the super competitive nature of you folks that isn't you worst enemy in regards costs and even discussing them in an effective fashion. But that nature is also what makes the racing so good for us fans I guess.

[6157]

Originally Posted by badgerfan " If a rival tire company could build a tire that lasted 5 races AND was competitive don't you think they would? Everyone would want the tire that lasted and that tire company could corner the market and eliminate the competition." How does that competition work where many of the sanctions have in effect given a given company an effective monopoly? And I certainly don't see many competitors "on the local level" (and I mainly see Badger and Powri racing) remain competitive over multiple nights on the same tires. I'm only a fan and not an owner or team member but sometimes I wonder if its not the super competitive nature of you folks that isn't you worst enemy in regards costs and even discussing them in an effective fashion. But that nature is also what makes the racing so good for us fans I guess.

Don doesn't understand a big part of it is Hoosiers unwillingness to build a tire that lasts 5 or 6 races because it's not financially feasible for them. And before he comes on here and says it'll just cut into their massive profits, unless he's seen their books, he has no right to make that comment. AR's tire at best lasts two races. Sure you can run it longer, if you want but you're risking the competitive advantage.

Hoosier and AR are in the business to sell tires. AR gave in a little to grab some market share from Hoosier but it's obvious the majority of the people in this country are going with Hoosiers because they make a competitive tire. For a guy who runs his own publishing company, I don't understand how he cannot under a basic tenet of business like this for a tire company.

Originally Posted by throb this post should come with a disclaimer......the views represented by some on this board do not represent my views or concerns.......

I missed this the first time around but this is an excellent point. Don Moore makes these posts under the protective concept that he's speaking for thousands of lowbuck race teams out there and that is absolutely not the case.

I know plenty of lowbuck teams, who don't like the price of tires but they understand the business their in, they understand it's expensive, so they buy their tires and run their races like respectable gentlemen do.

Someone needs to step up to Don Moore and stop his slanderous and libelous postings about USAC, POWRi, Hoosier, and certain race teams

[6157]

Double post.

[throb]

dont misunderstand me....i dont know don moore and have nothing against him. i just want it to be known that not everyone that he claims to be speaking for wants him speaking for them..

[SUPERDUKE]

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Originally Posted by Racerrob Don, Were you around racing in the 70's? Racers ran tires until they had no tread left or got a hole in them (we even ran tubes in the tires that did get holes). We (racers as a general category) had no idea that heat cycles or sealing over might be the reason the car was not as competitive on the 5th night on the same right rear. We thought maybe the edges had gone off the tire or we had missed the set-up. The other thing to take into account is the way the tracks were prepped back then. LOTS of calcium chloride and little packing by heavy equipment (sheeps foot) made for tracks that held the moisture much longer and developed cushions. (Calcium chloride is not used now due to environmental reasons). Even a sealed over, heat cycled tire grips on a heavy track because you are relying on the cleating action of the tread rather than the microscopic adhesion of the contact patch. Duke's $55.00 midget tire in 1975 is equivalent to spending $209 today due to inflation. I think you stated you are buying tires for $160 now. If so how is that a bad deal? Your constant railing against the sanctions and tire companies without perspective reveals your ignorance in these matters. If a rival tire company could build a tire that lasted 5 races AND was competitive don't you think they would? Everyone would want the tire that lasted and that tire company could corner the market and eliminate the competition. This is akin to the conspiracy theorists out there that say that the “Oil Companies” have suppressed a device that allows cars to run on water/tiny amounts of gasoline. If an oil company had such a device they could patent it and make far more income from licensing than from oil production. As far as spec tires, yes I am certain that some amount of money you spend for the spec tire goes into the points fund for the sanctioning body. And yes, it is only paid out to the top 10 or 15 or 20 in points. But these guys getting the points money generally supported the sanctioning body by hauling all over God's green earth to run the races they sanction. We ran EVERY USAC sanctioned national sprint car event this year. The other teams that ran all or substantially all of the events have demonstrated a serious commitment to this sport and the sanctioning body and should have a voice in the direction of the sanctioned events and the rules under which we race. That being said, you seem to think that your questions/comments deserve to be answered by the executives of the sanctioning body’s. How many sanctioned Poweri (sp) or USAC (since those are the ones you constantly call out) events did you run this year? Last year? It would be comparable to the fact that I golfed twice this past year but was really unhappy with the cost of the golf balls I lost so I am going to continually bash and demand the PGA do something to require the golf ball manufacturers make balls that cannot be lost. I won’t hold my breath waiting for them to get back to me! :kookoo While I agree in principle with your basic position (racing costs are soaring, the purses are stagnant, something needs to be done), your “in your face attitude” is a real turn off and your statements of “fact” reveal how little knowledge you have of this sport. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but please back it up with experience, facts and or logic. I could offer opinions on how to run a music publishing business but they would reveal that while I know business in general (I am a commercial loan officer for a bank), I have no specific knowledge or experience with the music business and my opinions may not have a lot of value to those that earn their living from that line of work. Rob Hoffman

WOW HERE WE GO AGAIN! THERE IS TOO MANY COMPOUNDS TODAY! BY THE WAY ROB WITH INFLATION WHAT WOULD THE PURSES BE NOW? ITS HELL TOO GET OLD AND STILL LIKE RACING!

[pgray]

Originally Posted by 6157 Someone needs to step up to Don Moore and stop his slanderous and libelous postings about USAC, POWRi, Hoosier, and certain race teams :crying:

Maybe you could call 911 for an emergency meeting with the message board police and get to the bottom of this :censor: immediately before someone else's feelings are hurt ! :crying:

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