Safety Thread

LEADERS EDGE · 10/15/08, 12:20 PM

I agree with Billy as well. You are never going to be 100% protected. Me personally; I like seeing people race safely, but many of the people who say that racing is dangerous and it is what it is, wouldn't get in a car without a cage.

If you announced at a drivers meeting that in order to race you had to cut the cage off, put on a tee(only),strap in with a rope, and wear a Cromwell;there would be alot of tough talkers loading up. Hell most guys can't race without an arm guard let alone no power steering and pump brakes and fuel.

There would be some guys left for sure, but you would sure see who is serious and who is not.

All of this tough talk is just that. It's just racing and many of the "tough guys" on here don't race for a living. They have a 9-5 and family to look after. Just go race, protect yourself and be smart.

After the one thread I had looked up a photo that I thought to be recent of Arins' car and it had a net and padding. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case. I feel terrible for her and her family because I, like many others on here, know what it is like racing with a family member. I wish them the best and I'm sure that she will be able to tell us about someday soon.

Motormasher · 10/15/08, 1:23 PM

Hey Risky, I have seen a few guys in cars that their heads came "almost" to the top of the cage and the reason I have always looked for this is because I remember several years ago a guy at Paragon that got upside down and landed on his cage and severly compressed his head and neck. I can't remember his name but it ended his driving career if I am not mistaken.

I am not for "full" containment seats because I have heard too many drivers that have them say they just beat your head side to side on rough tracks and in a crash its going to do the same thing. I don't like the cage nets either for the same reason and because they block your vision and make it harder to get out of the car in a crash. JUST MY OPINION.

KRJoyce1 · 10/15/08, 1:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motormasher

I am not for "full" containment seats because I have heard too many drivers that have them say they just beat your head side to side on rough tracks and in a crash its going to do the same thing. I don't like the cage nets either for the same reason and because they block your vision and make it harder to get out of the car in a crash. JUST MY OPINION.

:headbang I'm bitin my tongue here...someone else what to take this one???

Charles Nungester · 10/15/08, 2:00 PM

Hes entitled to his opinion no matter how wrong it may be. However I've seen twice what happens when you head leaves the cage area or hits it.

Chuck

Motormasher · 10/15/08, 2:16 PM

If your fastened in right (seatbelted) and wear the proper head restraints your head isn't supposed to get "out" of the cockpit.

As for you KRJoyce1, you have to be a safety salesman from the posts you made earlier just trying to make everybody "buy" every thing they make. Tell Steve Kinser he has to wear all this stuff. Here we go with somebody wanting to Govern everything about racing.

6565 · 10/15/08, 2:18 PM

In response to Motormasher, I drive a winged 410 in OH. My seat is a lightweight Ultrashield that I welded on the Randy Lajoie head & neck kit to. I then added 1/4" thick ribs along the shoulder wraparounds so I could fasten 1/4" U-shaped aluminum pcs to the A-frame behind the seat (similar to how a Butlerbuilt Advantage seat attaches to the frame). In addition, I hand formed 3/4" aluminum tubing to match the outline of the bottom two-thirds of the seat, then split the tubing length wise and welded it to the seat. I now have a custom, very stiff full-containment seat that I love, that I only have about $750 in.

Even though that is his opinion, as he stated-and apparantly from a fans point of view- Motormasher couldn't be more wrong. On the roughest tracks we race on, I can only remember my head hitting the side supports once or twice. While I don't run any nets since I made this seat (they don't fit through the seat), not once did a net or my head supports on my seat ever obstruct my vision, even when I have went to L'burg or Moler and ran non-winged. With my helmet on, I have about an inch of play on either side of my helmet. Many people don't realize how much better the better seats are for your back in a side crash, just due to the stiffness. I slid into a tracter tire sideways a couple of years ago, busting the rearend housing and bending the car like a banana. I was fine, with the exception of my seat opening so far that my back was pretty far out of whack for quite a while. My current seat will not budge in a hit like that, if it ever happens again.

Charles Nungester · 10/15/08, 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motormasher

If your fastened in right (seatbelted) and wear the proper head restraints your head isn't supposed to get "out" of the cockpit.

Just what in your opinion is a proper head restraint since you claim to not use them? If your belts stretch a inch and you head moves another inch, whats to keep you from hitting the cage? I seen Haudenchild flip and have a belt broken and he was laying over the wheel some years back. Im just saying if it can happen, these cars prove it ususally will.

Im no expert, Just asking.
Chuck

zeroracer · 10/15/08, 2:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motormasher

Hey Risky, I have seen a few guys in cars that their heads came "almost" to the top of the cage and the reason I have always looked for this is because I remember several years ago a guy at Paragon that got upside down and landed on his cage and severly compressed his head and neck. I can't remember his name but it ended his driving career if I am not mistaken.

I am not for "full" containment seats because I have heard too many drivers that have them say they just beat your head side to side on rough tracks and in a crash its going to do the same thing. I don't like the cage nets either for the same reason and because they block your vision and make it harder to get out of the car in a crash. JUST MY OPINION.

How i may agree about the window nets thing if you DO have a full containment seat, the reason drivers have (what i want to call the cow bell effect) is besause the head rests are too far away from the helmet, when going across holes and things your head bounces back and forth always will, but if you get the halo style head rests close enough your head wont bounce back and forth like the ringer in a bell, just ask joss moffatt he was having the same problem and i helped him fix it, and he has no issues now

And didnt ryan pace have a similar incident at eldora, and kyle stuchell as well

10/15/08, 2:37 PM

I've heard of some guys disliking the full-containment seats because their heads beat around too much inside of them. Never heard of any vision issues with either seats or nets, though.

6565 · 10/15/08, 2:58 PM

After reading some other posts, it looks like Motormasher is indeed either a driver, crew member, or owner-so I was wrong on that aspect of my previous post. Honestly, that makes your remarks that much more confusing...

10/15/08, 12:20 PM	#31 Re: Safety Thread
LEADERS EDGE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 980	I agree with Billy as well. You are never going to be 100% protected. Me personally; I like seeing people race safely, but many of the people who say that racing is dangerous and it is what it is, wouldn't get in a car without a cage. If you announced at a drivers meeting that in order to race you had to cut the cage off, put on a tee(only),strap in with a rope, and wear a Cromwell;there would be alot of tough talkers loading up. Hell most guys can't race without an arm guard let alone no power steering and pump brakes and fuel. There would be some guys left for sure, but you would sure see who is serious and who is not. All of this tough talk is just that. It's just racing and many of the "tough guys" on here don't race for a living. They have a 9-5 and family to look after. Just go race, protect yourself and be smart. After the one thread I had looked up a photo that I thought to be recent of Arins' car and it had a net and padding. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the case. I feel terrible for her and her family because I, like many others on here, know what it is like racing with a family member. I wish them the best and I'm sure that she will be able to tell us about someday soon. _________________________________________________ Last edited by LEADERS EDGE; 10/15/08 at 12:25 PM.

10/15/08, 2:00 PM	#34 Re: Safety Thread
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,023	Hes entitled to his opinion no matter how wrong it may be. However I've seen twice what happens when you head leaves the cage area or hits it. Chuck __________________ Charles Nungester

10/15/08, 1:23 PM	#32 Re: Safety Thread
Motormasher Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 980	Hey Risky, I have seen a few guys in cars that their heads came "almost" to the top of the cage and the reason I have always looked for this is because I remember several years ago a guy at Paragon that got upside down and landed on his cage and severly compressed his head and neck. I can't remember his name but it ended his driving career if I am not mistaken. I am not for "full" containment seats because I have heard too many drivers that have them say they just beat your head side to side on rough tracks and in a crash its going to do the same thing. I don't like the cage nets either for the same reason and because they block your vision and make it harder to get out of the car in a crash. JUST MY OPINION.

10/15/08, 2:16 PM	#35 Re: Safety Thread
Motormasher Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 980	If your fastened in right (seatbelted) and wear the proper head restraints your head isn't supposed to get "out" of the cockpit. As for you KRJoyce1, you have to be a safety salesman from the posts you made earlier just trying to make everybody "buy" every thing they make. Tell Steve Kinser he has to wear all this stuff. Here we go with somebody wanting to Govern everything about racing.

10/15/08, 2:18 PM	#36 Re: Safety Thread
6565 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 187	In response to Motormasher, I drive a winged 410 in OH. My seat is a lightweight Ultrashield that I welded on the Randy Lajoie head & neck kit to. I then added 1/4" thick ribs along the shoulder wraparounds so I could fasten 1/4" U-shaped aluminum pcs to the A-frame behind the seat (similar to how a Butlerbuilt Advantage seat attaches to the frame). In addition, I hand formed 3/4" aluminum tubing to match the outline of the bottom two-thirds of the seat, then split the tubing length wise and welded it to the seat. I now have a custom, very stiff full-containment seat that I love, that I only have about $750 in. Even though that is his opinion, as he stated-and apparantly from a fans point of view- Motormasher couldn't be more wrong. On the roughest tracks we race on, I can only remember my head hitting the side supports once or twice. While I don't run any nets since I made this seat (they don't fit through the seat), not once did a net or my head supports on my seat ever obstruct my vision, even when I have went to L'burg or Moler and ran non-winged. With my helmet on, I have about an inch of play on either side of my helmet. Many people don't realize how much better the better seats are for your back in a side crash, just due to the stiffness. I slid into a tracter tire sideways a couple of years ago, busting the rearend housing and bending the car like a banana. I was fine, with the exception of my seat opening so far that my back was pretty far out of whack for quite a while. My current seat will not budge in a hit like that, if it ever happens again.

10/15/08, 2:37 PM	#39 Re: Safety Thread
Fisher79 Posts: n/a	I've heard of some guys disliking the full-containment seats because their heads beat around too much inside of them. Never heard of any vision issues with either seats or nets, though.

10/15/08, 2:58 PM	#40 Re: Safety Thread
6565 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 187	After reading some other posts, it looks like Motormasher is indeed either a driver, crew member, or owner-so I was wrong on that aspect of my previous post. Honestly, that makes your remarks that much more confusing...