Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?

Mud Packer · 7/21/08, 6:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Midget82

A little off topic... but since flags were brought up...

Wasn't it nice having a FLAGMAN finally?:headbang Haubstadt was the only race during the entire sprintweek that USAC felt the need to utilize a flagman that knew what he was doing. I'm thinkin' the kid from Lawrenceburg would have been better in the 'stand...:doh:

Tom Hansing: :applaud:

Tom is the consummate professional. I have noticed that most of the time that Tom is the USAC flagman, he stays in the flagstand and helps the local flagman during the running of the support series. Others rarely do.

As for the "other" flagman, apparently he feels he IS the show. Kind of sad I guess, but most people could care less about his antics.:thumbsdown:

Pat O'Connor Fan · 7/21/08, 9:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon

I sure wish Mr. Scott would lose this @#$%&?+ for Dave Darland. He's obviously not going to be happy until Double D is banished from racing...

Spridge, excuse me, I mean Kirk has "masher" figured out!

7/21/08, 9:25 AM

Not only is there the 1/4 lap rule (which is stated but consideration is given, drivers are told to stop immediately) but drivers are told in meetings at MSCS events that they are absolutley to keep the lane open so the ambulance may enter. Mr. Darland apparently was more concerned with getting his tire changed than allowing the ambulance easy access to the track. I have lost a lot of respect for this driver - the red comes on for a reason - and tire changes take seconds he wasn't going to lose anything by waiting the same amount of time as the other drivers.

3Cfan · 7/21/08, 9:33 AM

Another incident involved Kyle Cummins in the B main. Running 3rd in a transfer spot, he packed the right rear full of mud. On a yellow, he immediately pulled off and the problem resolved. Still waiting for a push, USAC closed the door on him. I bet a USAC regular would not have been treated the same way. Kyle, his sponsers and his fans deserved better.

Pat O'Connor Fan · 7/21/08, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wideopenwheelie

Not only is there the 1/4 lap rule (which is stated but consideration is given, drivers are told to stop immediately) but drivers are told in meetings at MSCS events ..............

It was a USAC (United States Auto Club) sanctioned event. MSCS rules/drivers meetings, etc. did not govern this event.

Fullthrottle410 · 7/21/08, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Cfan

Still waiting for a push, USAC closed the door on him. I bet a USAC regular would not have been treated the same way. Kyle, his sponsers and his fans deserved better.

I believe the same thing happened to Cottle in the feature.

hacksaw · 7/21/08, 2:05 PM

I think the flagman at Lawrenceburg did a great job and he is part of the show.

7/21/08, 7:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thebus79h

1/4 of a lap is extremely short to stop a full up sprint car. Hell it'd be hard to stop a Fidget in a 1/4 lap. I know the rule at the micro tracks is, stop when the red flag comes out in an "orderly" fashion, but do not pass the accident scene. As in don't slam on the F*ing brakes because the red is out. Slow it up, and don't pass the scene after the red is out.

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Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan

It was a USAC (United States Auto Club) sanctioned event. MSCS rules/drivers meetings, etc. did not govern this event.

Gee thanks - I know that Captain Obvious - but I was replying to the poster that stated at regular Tri-State shows the "stop on red rule" is enforced - and it's obvious that USAC picks and chooses when they decided to enforce their own rules.

tonyj · 7/21/08, 8:51 PM

So, if I am understanding this correctly, it is ok to continue driving under red flag conditions so long as you do so in a cautious matter? If that's the case, then why even throw the red....kind of makes it immaterial doesn't it?

7/21/08, 9:37 PM

The same thing happened at Kokomo in the sunday race when Robert Ballou had a right rear full of mud and there was a red flag for Jon Stanbrough flipping on the white flag lap. Dave Darland was running second to Ballou but USAC did not open the gates for this red flag. But one lap into the feature when Brad Sweet flipped USAC opened the gates this time with only one lap in. Its seems to me you would need to work on your car 28 laps in to the feature for saftey instead of just one. Looked pretty fishy to me.:angry-smiley-007::kookoo

7/21/08, 9:25 AM	#23 Re: Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?
wideopenwheelie Posts: n/a	Not only is there the 1/4 lap rule (which is stated but consideration is given, drivers are told to stop immediately) but drivers are told in meetings at MSCS events that they are absolutley to keep the lane open so the ambulance may enter. Mr. Darland apparently was more concerned with getting his tire changed than allowing the ambulance easy access to the track. I have lost a lot of respect for this driver - the red comes on for a reason - and tire changes take seconds he wasn't going to lose anything by waiting the same amount of time as the other drivers.

7/21/08, 9:33 AM	#24 Re: Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?
3Cfan Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 577	Another incident involved Kyle Cummins in the B main. Running 3rd in a transfer spot, he packed the right rear full of mud. On a yellow, he immediately pulled off and the problem resolved. Still waiting for a push, USAC closed the door on him. I bet a USAC regular would not have been treated the same way. Kyle, his sponsers and his fans deserved better.

7/21/08, 2:05 PM	#27 Re: Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?
hacksaw Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 57	I think the flagman at Lawrenceburg did a great job and he is part of the show.

7/21/08, 8:51 PM	#29 Re: Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?
tonyj Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 77	So, if I am understanding this correctly, it is ok to continue driving under red flag conditions so long as you do so in a cautious matter? If that's the case, then why even throw the red....kind of makes it immaterial doesn't it?

7/21/08, 9:37 PM	#30 Re: Red Flag...USAC or Tri State Speedway?
sprintcar62 Posts: n/a	The same thing happened at Kokomo in the sunday race when Robert Ballou had a right rear full of mud and there was a red flag for Jon Stanbrough flipping on the white flag lap. Dave Darland was running second to Ballou but USAC did not open the gates for this red flag. But one lap into the feature when Brad Sweet flipped USAC opened the gates this time with only one lap in. Its seems to me you would need to work on your car 28 laps in to the feature for saftey instead of just one. Looked pretty fishy to me.:angry-smiley-007::kookoo