some changes need to be made isw

BrentTFunk · 7/15/08, 8:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hogan6

Last nite was good. But, awesome?? Not a pass for the lead in the feature. Heats were much better than the A. Sure their was a lot of drama late. Congrats to DD. Are support classes necessary when you have 55 sprinters? ISW....sprints only. Then maybe the first heat won't start at 9:20.

You just made my point. The format creates good racing in the heats. I was not commenting on anything other than the USAC format as far as other divisions go. Hey the king's royal was over early, if that is what you are worried about I guess you could have went there.

767 · 7/15/08, 9:00 AM

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Originally Posted by robert gatten

the current way of setting up the whole night based only off qualifing pentilizes a car and driver twice in one night. A driver gains nothing by charging from 10th to 5th as he then must go back to the back of the b main. He would be just as well off to run a lap and pull in and still be in back of the B.What i would like to see is, Qualify to set up heats and non qualifiers but set the B MAIN lineup bases on your positions run in the heats ! Currently if you don't qualify well you would be better off just putting the car back on the trailer.

you are exactly right, might as well go home :applaud:. With the large car counts the track changes quite a bit from the first car to the 50th car. night #2 at the burg Bosfung qualify early and bad. Wins the lcq. Starts on the back of his heat and makes it up to 5th, by far being the fastest car on the track. Comes back out for the b-main to start on the tail, I think he passes 8 cars in the b-main or maybe 9. How was he rewarded? I beleive he got his $100 and put on the trailer. :action-smiley-049: REWARD THE RACERS! There are examples of this every week. This is how the little teams make the race. I don't care what format usac wants to use, just start makeing the races count for something.:headbang

Charles Nungester · 7/15/08, 9:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BrentTFunk

You just made my point. The format creates good racing in the heats. I was not commenting on anything other than the USAC format as far as other divisions go. Hey the king's royal was over early, if that is what you are worried about I guess you could have went there.

Are you going to cellebrate your honeymoon or B** all day? :doh::applaud:

robert gatten · 7/15/08, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 767

you are exactly right, might as well go home :applaud:. With the large car counts the track changes quite a bit from the first car to the 50th car. night #2 at the burg Bosfung qualify early and bad. Wins the lcq. Starts on the back of his heat and makes it up to 5th, by far being the fastest car on the track. Comes back out for the b-main to start on the tail, I think he passes 8 cars in the b-main or maybe 9. How was he rewarded? I beleive he got his $100 and put on the trailer. :action-smiley-049: REWARD THE RACERS! There are examples of this every week. This is how the little teams make the race. I don't care what format usac wants to use, just start makeing the races count for something.:headbang

He did the same thing two nights in a row. Charged to 5th from the back, started lastr in B and past more cars than anyone all night in b and got his $100 and went on trailer !!

BrentTFunk · 7/15/08, 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by robert gatten

He did the same thing two nights in a row. Charged to 5th from the back, started lastr in B and past more cars than anyone all night in b and got his $100 and went on trailer !!

So if they would have drawn, and he started last in a 10 car heat, finished fifth, finishes one spot out if a transfer how is that any different? I thought his run at the burg was great, but you either make it or you don't. Inverting 8 in a heat is still the way to go for me.

Dyno Don · 7/15/08, 2:42 PM

Who ever said life or racing was fair.

Take what you get and live with it. Do the best you can and hope you get a break to put you on top.

That is the trouble with society today. Everybody wants things to be fair, but in the real world, life is not fair.

Jerry Shaw · 7/15/08, 3:11 PM

Sure, the cards are stacked against the smaller teams. But, also therein lies an opportunity that isn't available to the better funded teams. It lies in the expectations game. I remember several years ago when Dickie Gaines went out on most nights and didn't do himself any huge favors in qualifications and ended up racing himself to within 2 points of winning ISW. In fact, I still hear more people talk about what Dickie ALMOST did that year, than I do talk about what Levi DID DO that year. And that was win ISW. It's tougher and tougher, but when it does happen, it's the kind of thing that legends are made of.

And flash forward to the first two nights of Sprint Week. Sure, we were talking about the heat winners, transfers and feature winner. But, one of the things that was said quite a few times, amongst the "Section A Gang" was "Hey, Chad Boesflug can drive!" And I'm guessing we weren't the only people that noticed that.

Jerry

LEADERS EDGE · 7/15/08, 3:40 PM

Without having the stats in front of me I may be off base here, but isn't there less than 10 teams to have made every race? That seems like a pretty fair deal to me.

I believe that the more races that are run, the less chances the "little teams" have of making the show. With the system they have now, the teams that were decent, but not great are rewarded by starting up front. They have a fighting chance of running fast enough for 8-10 laps and holding off the teams that have more speed than they do. The cream rises to the top eventually.

Nothing against Chad or anyone else, but the fact is that USAC uses qualifying to line their shows up so you had better get the job done in qualifying.

For years I've heard guys complain about qualifying and how they don't like it. They want to race but don't like being the center of attention and being on the track by themselves. To me; qualifying is like Free Throws in basketball, you can be exciting and dunk all you want, but most of the time it's the guys who quietly get it done from the charity stripe who end up being the winner.(Shaq and Wilt being the glaring exceptions to that.)

I personally like the system, but as I said before, I would like to see a little more reward for qualifying in the top 6. If the guys are sand bagging the heats, pay points for heat race finishes, but not for B-Main finishes. Or don't give them their starting spot back. Heat race transfers lined up ahead of B-Main guys.

racefan20 · 7/15/08, 3:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE

I personally like the system, but as I said before, I would like to see a little more reward for qualifying in the top 6. If the guys are sand bagging the heats, pay points for heat race finishes, but not for B-Main finishes. Or don't give them their starting spot back. Heat race transfers lined up ahead of B-Main guys.

Bingo!!:thumb

7/15/08, 5:09 PM

It's all on how you play the game.

7/15/08, 3:11 PM	#27 Re: some changes need to be made isw
Jerry Shaw Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,728	Sure, the cards are stacked against the smaller teams. But, also therein lies an opportunity that isn't available to the better funded teams. It lies in the expectations game. I remember several years ago when Dickie Gaines went out on most nights and didn't do himself any huge favors in qualifications and ended up racing himself to within 2 points of winning ISW. In fact, I still hear more people talk about what Dickie ALMOST did that year, than I do talk about what Levi DID DO that year. And that was win ISW. It's tougher and tougher, but when it does happen, it's the kind of thing that legends are made of. And flash forward to the first two nights of Sprint Week. Sure, we were talking about the heat winners, transfers and feature winner. But, one of the things that was said quite a few times, amongst the "Section A Gang" was "Hey, Chad Boesflug can drive!" And I'm guessing we weren't the only people that noticed that. Jerry __________________ A man is about as big as the things that make him angry. Winston Churchill

7/15/08, 2:42 PM	#26 Re: some changes need to be made isw
Dyno Don Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 579	Who ever said life or racing was fair. Take what you get and live with it. Do the best you can and hope you get a break to put you on top. That is the trouble with society today. Everybody wants things to be fair, but in the real world, life is not fair.

7/15/08, 3:40 PM	#28 Re: some changes need to be made isw
LEADERS EDGE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 980	Without having the stats in front of me I may be off base here, but isn't there less than 10 teams to have made every race? That seems like a pretty fair deal to me. I believe that the more races that are run, the less chances the "little teams" have of making the show. With the system they have now, the teams that were decent, but not great are rewarded by starting up front. They have a fighting chance of running fast enough for 8-10 laps and holding off the teams that have more speed than they do. The cream rises to the top eventually. Nothing against Chad or anyone else, but the fact is that USAC uses qualifying to line their shows up so you had better get the job done in qualifying. For years I've heard guys complain about qualifying and how they don't like it. They want to race but don't like being the center of attention and being on the track by themselves. To me; qualifying is like Free Throws in basketball, you can be exciting and dunk all you want, but most of the time it's the guys who quietly get it done from the charity stripe who end up being the winner.(Shaq and Wilt being the glaring exceptions to that.) I personally like the system, but as I said before, I would like to see a little more reward for qualifying in the top 6. If the guys are sand bagging the heats, pay points for heat race finishes, but not for B-Main finishes. Or don't give them their starting spot back. Heat race transfers lined up ahead of B-Main guys.

7/15/08, 5:09 PM	#30 Re: some changes need to be made isw
Joe Kidd Posts: n/a	It's all on how you play the game.