KM62 (Offline)
#11
5/27/08 9:11 PM
I think they should do something with sprintweek that deal with the Kruseman car last year just was not right. NO PROVISIONALS.
Rex W. (Offline)
#12
5/27/08 9:23 PM
You either make the race or you don't.
dirtnonwingfan (Offline)
#15
5/27/08 9:59 PM
Back in the old days (OK, back in the early '60s) I don't remember ever hearing of a provisional. However, and it is a big however, we had the "promoter's option". I've seen 1, 2 and even 3 cars added to the back of the field. I don't remember anyone ever being displeased because they were added. They were drivers who the fans wanted to see race and didn't make the "A" for whatever reason.
I don't disagree with some of the other responses about better tow money, etc. I just wanted to point out that, even in the days before provisionals, ways were found to get drivers into the feature who we wanted to see race. You may (I think rightly) disagree with the way it worked on a specific occasion, but I have no problem with the concept in general.
Frank Daigh
LEADERS EDGE (Offline)
#16
5/27/08 10:08 PM
Using the analogy that you go fast or go home, I then say that only the feature starters get paid. I'll take it one step farther and say only feature winners get paid.
If you showed up and are happy just being there or with running second, then you shouldn't be there in the first place. No tow money and no purse money for those who weren't fast enough to make the feature or finish first.
You know the risks going in and maybe you towed 1,000 miles for an expensve visit to a race track.
Not reasonable now is it, but that is basically how it is already with some touring groups for the guys who don't qualify in the top 32 and everyone says it's not fair.
Well if it's fair for a team to support a group all year without some sort of one or two time "allowence" for an error, then I say it's fair that you load up and go home basically paying the track and sanctioning body a rental fee for wasting their time with your shoddy and disappointing performance.
Guys, I have been a fan, a team member, a car owner, and a parts supplier. I have seen this sport from many angles and the one group that gets shorted constantly are the teams themselves and especially the ones that are on the fringes. Not quite the elite or not fast enough to be consistantly competitive. Every once in a while, every team needs a break and a reward for just competing. No matter how large or small that break is. For the small teams it may be making a race at Gas City when they just missed it. You cannot imagine what that can do for a guy who is just starting to come into his own and he gets a needed confidence boost. For some teams it may be getting a chance to keep your point lead at Perris when you are in a heated battle for the National Championship.
All of that is good as long as it is done without abuse and manipulation.
Tim Clauson (Offline)
#17
5/27/08 10:56 PM
From a fans perspective I do not see how a provisional is a bad thing I mean after all aren't you there to see cars race and as a fan are not the more the merrier? As a fan isn't exciting to see a fan favorite make a run from the back ala Damion at Gas City a few weeks ago? Does it really ruin the whole experience adding a provisional or two?
I guess my question is how does it affect "you" as a fan by adding a provisional?
From a car owners perspective is it a bad thing? I mean it takes a lot of $$ to run these things and if two more teams get an opportunity to make a little $$ does this hurt the show or the series?
Now the only down side I see is when it comes to points, personally I think that provisionals receivers should only receive points actually "earned" for the evening via their actual finish.
If the driver who wins the national championship uses 4 provisionals towards his point total and the driver who finishes second by 1 point uses 0 provisionals towards their point total who truly deserves the championship?
Speaking of provisionals there is a track in Cali who awards 1 provisional and it is only allowed to be used by the sponsor of the series, who by the way kid happens to participate. Although when he uses it I believe he does not receive points or $$.
LEADERS EDGE (Offline)
#18
5/27/08 11:20 PM
Don't get me wrong, I believe that the opportunities need to be very limited and if you have used up your allotment before you get far from home, then your out of luck.
If it means some sort of points penalty in terms of not having a full points night, then that would most likely work as well.
sprintcar62
#19
5/27/08 11:25 PM
It is all about the money that is what is wrong with racing today its all about the money!