[bmemmer]

Hmmm I dunno about tonight because I had to work. But last year's sprint week show there was no way in the world they was getting that show in. Yes it rained 10 to 15 minutes but that is the hardest ive ever seen it rained. You couldn't see 10 feet in front of you. Yes the sun came out afterwards and guess what I couldn't attend on the following sunday but knowing the teams had another race the next night I knew there was no way they could get that race in. It would of took a good 2 to 3 hours to get the track back in shape and then run the progrom. Teams were already running on fumes as sprint week was coming down to the end. If you really think they had a chance then maybe you should reconsider your thoughts. Blake Memmer

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[Charles Nungester]

Wow, Shouldn't jump in here but in LPS defense, I seem to remember they tried to put on more racing for the fans last year by running several Thursday shows, getting rained on at one of them and a couple others had 100* plus and giving teams some tow money when it did get rained out. Not only that, They gave away bottled water on a couple of hot and humid days. Not to mention they lost their ass on every single one of them but still paid everyone.

You ever get there two hours early and see how much moisture they put in that track? The pack truck won't even stay on the banks.

I remember a accidental almost rain out under the old promoter at a NST (WOO Type) race where they over-watered the track and it was 10:30pm before they hot lapped and 230am when they finished That was brutal.

I also know that Middle Indiana got upwards of 7 inches of rain the past week or so a steady light rain, cool temps and cloudy skys are just going to bring the moisture in the surface up.

Could they of possibly run? Maybe but you'd probably just now be watching the checker fly at 730am.

Also know that every track has their rain-out policy on their ticket booths and websites.

Its a shame they even try to put on a show for you cause Im d@mn sure you'd be B*((*chin if they'd of called it due to what the forecast or radar looked.

I went to the Burg last night knowing full well any decent rain would have probably quashed the show, By the looks of Radar early about 2pm both tracks could have cancelled and everyone would have probably understood. Neither did, LBURG GOT LUCKY, LPS DIDN'T I drove the 45 miles from LBurg home and through Sharonville it was lightning and thunderstorming.

Whats all this babble mean? I just think a couple peeps are being very harsh on a Promotor that did his darndest to put on a show for you and got hit by Mother Nature, Something totally beyond his control.

[Johnhunt]

Originally Posted by cleatziff I don't understand anyone complaining about when they called the race. You didn't have to go to the race. I got to the gate and decided not to go in because it was starting to rain. However, this does lead to my complaint. There was a sign stating that the rain out policy is your ticket was good for the next two weekends. I can not make the next two weekends. If the policy was any two weekends or any Usac race I would have gladly paid my 25 dollars. I would have entered knowing there was a chance the race would have rained out. I would have had a tenderloin and a few beers and would use my rain check for midget week. Oh well. I will still be at midget week and still love lps. Posted via Mobile Device

They announced that ticket stubs from tonight would be honored at any show this season, including sprint and midget week. Yes, driving to BFE for a heat and a half sucked, but they made the right call and made it as right as they could for the patrons IMO.

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[cleatziff]

Well shoot. I wish I would have known. I still love the place though. I am not bashing them at all if it seems that way. I think people should vent their frustration to Mother nature not the track.

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[Tim Watson]

We made the haul from Wisconsin for the double USAC weekend. It was only our second time at Putnamville and the first time for my Dad. I really like the place and will attend more shows in the future. It was one of those "no win" deals for the track with the sprinkles coming down. The red for the flip did come at a bad time since racing couldn't continue but stuff happens. Anybody who is complaining about the rain out policy needs to listen to the announcements made or talk to somebody before you leave. I got to meet Joe Spiker last night and you gotta love the guy. He thanked us for coming knowing where we came from and made sure we knew our tickets were good for midget week which we were planning on coming to anyway. Make sure in a rain out deal that you know for a fact what's up with your ticket before you leave. Just cause you don't agree with the show being called don't just storm out the gate. I love Lincoln Park!

[dirt330]

Originally Posted by Tim Watson We made the haul from Wisconsin for the double USAC weekend. It was only our second time at Putnamville and the first time for my Dad. I really like the place and will attend more shows in the future. It was one of those "no win" deals for the track with the sprinkles coming down. The red for the flip did come at a bad time since racing couldn't continue but stuff happens. Anybody who is complaining about the rain out policy needs to listen to the announcements made or talk to somebody before you leave. I got to meet Joe Spiker last night and you gotta love the guy. He thanked us for coming knowing where we came from and made sure we knew our tickets were good for midget week which we were planning on coming to anyway. Make sure in a rain out deal that you know for a fact what's up with your ticket before you leave. Just cause you don't agree with the show being called don't just storm out the gate. I love Lincoln Park!

The best part of your trip was quality time with your dad. I sure wish my dad was still around so I could have time with him be it racing or a rain-out. Enjoy what time you have with family and friends, it won't last forever.

[Indy1808]

Originally Posted by dirt330 The best part of your trip was quality time with your dad. I sure wish my dad was still around so I could have time with him be it racing or a rain-out. Enjoy what time you have with family and friends, it won't last forever.

So true.
All of you should.
Mine passed away when i was 9 but not before he gave me some great memories and passing on roots to my dirt track racing that have lasted my lifetime. Thanks Dad.

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[SPRINTCAR]

Originally Posted by charles nungester wow, shouldn't jump in here but in lps defense, i seem to remember they tried to put on more racing for the fans last year by running several thursday shows, getting rained on at one of them and a couple others had 100* plus and giving teams some tow money when it did get rained out. Not only that, they gave away bottled water on a couple of hot and humid days. Not to mention they lost their ass on every single one of them but still paid everyone. You ever get there two hours early and see how much moisture they put in that track? The pack truck won't even stay on the banks. I remember a accidental almost rain out under the old promoter at a nst (woo type) race where they over-watered the track and it was 10:30pm before they hot lapped and 230am when they finished that was brutal. I also know that middle indiana got upwards of 7 inches of rain the past week or so a steady light rain, cool temps and cloudy skys are just going to bring the moisture in the surface up. Could they of possibly run? Maybe but you'd probably just now be watching the checker fly at 730am. Also know that every track has their rain-out policy on their ticket booths and websites. Its a shame they even try to put on a show for you cause im d@mn sure you'd be b*((*chin if they'd of called it due to what the forecast or radar looked. I went to the burg last night knowing full well any decent rain would have probably quashed the show, by the looks of radar early about 2pm both tracks could have cancelled and everyone would have probably understood. Neither did, lburg got lucky, lps didn't i drove the 45 miles from lburg home and through sharonville it was lightning and thunderstorming. Whats all this babble mean? I just think a couple peeps are being very harsh on a promotor that did his darndest to put on a show for you and got hit by mother nature, something totally beyond his control.

[Jonr]

Originally Posted by DIRT-TRACK-JUNKIE I would like to thank Joe Spiker for wasting everyone's time, gas, & money for showing up to Putnamville tonight. There was no effort at all for getting in tonight's race.....a red flag and some sprinkles & we're done. It hasn't rained a drop since he pulled the cars off the track, when I left..... Did you sell enough hot dogs & beer Joe, I mean, You were still selling them after you called the race!?!?!? It's Saturday, we are all ready there so at least TRY to get the d@mn race in Posted via Mobile Device

The person who lost the most money on this deal was Joe Spiker. A rain out is a money losing propostion for a race promoter.

Several years ago, a promoters right hand man at a couple of tracks in DFW got on a local forumn to discuss what happens when there is a rain out. The information is a couple of years old but it is all still relevant.

Re: WHAT'S THE MOST $$$ A DFW AREA DIRT TRACK HAS MADE
by ReggieF » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:04 pm

Now let's talk about a rainout.

Insurance - (Note the insurance has to be in the mail before the race night for an established promoter. A new promoter often must have his check to the insurance company before the date of the races)

When you call the rainout is important.

No one in the pits - your entire premium can be applied to the next race night

Open the pit gate - 25 to 30% of the premium forfeit

Hot Laps - 50-65% of the premium forfeit

Any race takes a green flag - 100% of the premium forfeit

C-Stand - about 25-35% of your concession stand supplies for the night cannot be saved and reused. Throw them out or eat a lot of burgers.

Staff costs - most track staff get paid nothing on a rainout, maybe half pay if the races have started.

Security, ambulance and often c-stand workers get paid for the hours worked.
Depending upon the track and locations - you may have to pay a full night ambulance fee. That was the requirement at NTMS which was expensive. Once the ambulance left Tyler for NTMS - we had to pay a minimum 8 hours at $85 per hour.

At a minimum - 40% of the race night costs without the purse is what a rainout costs you. That does not include any weekly costs which are almost all wasted.

You also loose between 3 and 5% of your potential yearly income with a rainout. If you get six rainouts per season - your yearly gross have been cut by 20 to 30%.

You can never make up that income.

The absolute worst for a promoter is to have a rainout after the races have started. The next week the pit gate income will likely be below $700 as everyone comes back with their armbands from the previous week. Probably half the front gate crowd will get in free.

So you've taken two nights income and barely get enough for one good night. You have your good race night full expenses and 30% of the previous rainout night expenses.

Money loser anyway you look at it.

The entire thread can be found at:
http://www.elbowsup.com/viewtopic.ph...31610&start=10

[ByronMack]

Originally Posted by Jonr The person who lost the most money on this deal was Joe Spiker. A rain out is a money losing propostion for a race promoter. Several years ago, a promoters right hand man at a couple of tracks in DFW got on a local forumn to discuss what happens when there is a rain out. The information is a couple of years old but it is all still relevant. Re: WHAT'S THE MOST $$$ A DFW AREA DIRT TRACK HAS MADE by ReggieF » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:04 pm Now let's talk about a rainout. Insurance - (Note the insurance has to be in the mail before the race night for an established promoter. A new promoter often must have his check to the insurance company before the date of the races) When you call the rainout is important. No one in the pits - your entire premium can be applied to the next race night Open the pit gate - 25 to 30% of the premium forfeit Hot Laps - 50-65% of the premium forfeit Any race takes a green flag - 100% of the premium forfeit C-Stand - about 25-35% of your concession stand supplies for the night cannot be saved and reused. Throw them out or eat a lot of burgers. Staff costs - most track staff get paid nothing on a rainout, maybe half pay if the races have started. Security, ambulance and often c-stand workers get paid for the hours worked. Depending upon the track and locations - you may have to pay a full night ambulance fee. That was the requirement at NTMS which was expensive. Once the ambulance left Tyler for NTMS - we had to pay a minimum 8 hours at $85 per hour. At a minimum - 40% of the race night costs without the purse is what a rainout costs you. That does not include any weekly costs which are almost all wasted. You also loose between 3 and 5% of your potential yearly income with a rainout. If you get six rainouts per season - your yearly gross have been cut by 20 to 30%. You can never make up that income. The absolute worst for a promoter is to have a rainout after the races have started. The next week the pit gate income will likely be below $700 as everyone comes back with their armbands from the previous week. Probably half the front gate crowd will get in free. So you've taken two nights income and barely get enough for one good night. You have your good race night full expenses and 30% of the previous rainout night expenses. Money loser anyway you look at it. The entire thread can be found at: http://www.elbowsup.com/viewtopic.ph...31610&start=10

But you're talking about the real world, this is the internet, this is no place for facts, just arm chair promoters allowed here.

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