[QUOTE=Tim;131915]
Originally Posted by wtvwrocks:
Actually that's not quite correct.
Let's say you are running 12th and get lapped on the 10th lap of the A - positions 1-11 are now on the lead lap, you are one lap down.
On lap 15 - the cars in positions 2,4 & 5 crash and are out of the race - let's pretend there was no passing and everyone else finished in the order you were running.
The finish would be: 1,3,6,7,8,9,10,11, 12 (you) then positions 2,4 & 5. That's how the payout would be determined. That's how it has been figured as long as I've known, and nothing changed this year with regards to how lapped cars are finished. On the board, laps completed are noted with the official finish - so you can see if someone dropped out how many laps they completed and if you are a lap car how many laps you completed.
I hope that clears it up.
Sacha[COLOR="Black"]
Sacha,
In your example would I get paid for 9th or 12th?
Tim Simmons
9th - you finished 9th - you get paid for the position you finished in, lead lap, lap car or fallout.
There are several scenarios where you might think that you are in 9th or somewhere else and that is your position on the track but not your scoring order. Go back to my example:
12 cars - 30 lap feature
On lap 10 car# 12 gets lapped - running order on the track is 1, 12, 2,3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
On lap 15 car # 2,4 & 5 crash and are out - running order on the track is now: 1,12, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
On lap 20 car # 10 gets lapped - running order on the track is 1, 10, 12, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11
Official finish would be: 1st place 1; 2nd place 3, 3rd place 6, 4th place 7, 5th place 8, 6th place 9, 7th place 11, 8th place 10 (cause he was only down one lap and lapped most recently) 9th place 12, 10th place 2, 11th place 4, 12th place 5
Is it starting to make sense? So even though the 12 car is running in 3rd on the track he is a lap down at the end and would officially finish after the cars on the lead lap - the 10 car would finish in front of him because both cars were down one lap and the 10 car was running in front of the 12 car at the checkered.
When you get into situations sometimes with cars still running and being 2 laps down then you have to figure that in also. This is why at Haubstadt where there can be a lot of lap cars we have one person that is the only job they have to watch the lap cars and keep track of them (who are they and how many laps down) when you calculate the finish you go through all cars to determine if they are on the lead lap. Fall outs are added from the bottom (last place) up depending on what lap they went out on.
Clear as mud, right? Want to come help with the 50 lapper???
---------- Post added at 02:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------
Originally Posted by Motormasher:
Once you get lapped you are no longer scored because you are 1 lap down and cannot improve your position.
It has nothing to do with sending a lapped car to the tail on a 
restart, you line up where your lapped at yes.
I believe 2 people have proven my theory Sacha.
It will be interesting to see what big names go to Kokomo this Sunday......
.......They will wait on a car to change a flat.
We still don't know what the payoff is......??? Why don't they post it like Dave Rudisell does?
I don't know who you have talked to but as long as Ive been scoring I continue to score every car until they crash or finish lap car or not.....and there have been times (very very rare) that a lap car has improved it's position.....I'm not sure how your theory has been proven or maybe I'm not understanding your explanation. Always a finish shows on the board the cars on the lead laps, then lap cars, then fall outs.....it shows the laps completed....so if we were going to finish the lap cars after the fall outs it would reflect that on the board, and obviously just because a lap car is running 2nd we both know he's not in 2nd place so we wouldn't pay him accordingly.
Maybe I'm confused but I have always scored every car every lap because you never know what could happen....
