[Tim]

Originally Posted by #1SPRINTVET With much thought and deliberation a decision has been made to open the SCORA rules to allow aluminum engines the remainder of the season. This will serve as a test for this upcoming 2010 season and restrictions will be forthcoming for 2010 if we decide to go this route. The SCORA following has gradually shown growth, but at a rate that was not satisfactory to continue. Some of the regular drivers in the SCORA group completely agree with this decision. With our final shows for 2009 in August being basically South and West in Indiana and one in Illinois and one in Kentucky a respectable car count was needed to continue. The change is being made to help everyone concerned and not to harm any of our already organized people. The top ten drivers points will be quaranteed a feature starting spot each night and will still be guaranteed their $200. tow money. Our purse will not immediatley raise, but if this works it will grow for 2010. Chandler Sunday August 9 will be the first open test night for the new SCORA engine rule. Sam Stockon Sr.

Joe Chambers,

Are you supporting this decision?

Tim Simmons

Originally Posted by Tim Joe Chambers, Are you supporting this decision? Tim Simmons

No disrespect to you sir but I have a question for you. How many races have you supported?? Because again there has only been 2 teams that have been with us every night.

[lbudde5]

this is crap. SCORA is going to turn into the MSCS. So much for giving the little guys a chance to race.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by john3g No disrespect to you sir but I have a question for you. How many races have you supported?? Because again there has only been 2 teams that have been with us every night.

John,

When we were originally approached, by Sam Stockon, we stated that we'd support the series as best as we could. We supported Charleston, Kankakee, Kamp (where we, too, lost a motor), and Terre Haute on original race day. After losing the motor at Kamp we were forced to travel back home to get a backup motor and change it out, forcing us to miss the Soggy Bottom race. To be honest with you, I think we've done pretty good at supporting the series considering that we're doing it from a home base of Houston, Texas. We weren't able to stay for the rain out at Terre Haute due to several family members coming with us (and who bought pit passes) who had flight reservations for return trips on the Sunday of the make up and weren't able to stay.

The series was advertised as a series for the "working man". Well, some folks still have to work on weekends, and with the schedule as liquid as it seems to be, we weren't able to accomodate the travel and vacation time to attend all races. We've done the best we could. The two thousand mile round trips to support the series, even as little as we could, should give some idea of our desire to race.

Please also note that, in 2003, we supported Sam's MSCS from Little Rock, Arkansas, bypassing several tracks along the way. In short, I'm sorry we couldn't support this series the way you desired. And, with the attitude I've gotten from you, a SCORA official, on this post, my motivation to support it in any way, shape or form in the future is waning.

Tim Simmons

[Big Willy]

In my opinion SCORA, while it's intent may have been noble (who knows but I suspect they had intentions of derailing MSCS from the get go) was screwed up from the beginnings. The idea that an economy based class should also be a travling series is insane - talk about an oxmoron. They should have started with a centrally located race track (1/4 mi or less) where the division could have had a chance to grow and possibly expand in the future. Why wouldn't they pick Charleston, IL for example and build the class from there? Do you think a division based on keeping costs down needs to travel, let alone put these guys on big tracks like THAT & Eldora where the oportunity to tear up cars and hurt drivers increases with the increase in speed? This series may have been a nice playground for a few guys who got a chance to win some races who couldn't compete with some of the better financed teams but as I stated before, some promoters found this as a golden oportunity to stick it to the patrons with jacked up ticket prices all the while promoting a "SCORA" sprint car series race. I think more damage to the sport was possibly done in the fact that if unsuspecting fans turned out to see a srint car race and paid that extra amount to see this series it could sour them on sprint racing in the future. No disrespect to the teams that followed the series, but did it not seem odd to any of you that this "economy" class would be a travling series?

Originally Posted by Tim John, When we were originally approached, by Sam Stockon, we stated that we'd support the series as best as we could. We supported Charleston, Kankakee, Kamp (where we, too, lost a motor), and Terre Haute on original race day. After losing the motor at Kamp we were forced to travel back home to get a backup motor and change it out, forcing us to miss the Soggy Bottom race. To be honest with you, I think we've done pretty good at supporting the series considering that we're doing it from a home base of Houston, Texas. We weren't able to stay for the rain out at Terre Haute due to several family members coming with us (and who bought pit passes) who had flight reservations for return trips on the Sunday of the make up and weren't able to stay. The series was advertised as a series for the "working man". Well, some folks still have to work on weekends, and with the schedule as liquid as it seems to be, we weren't able to accomodate the travel and vacation time to attend all races. We've done the best we could. The two thousand mile round trips to support the series, even as little as we could, should give some idea of our desire to race. Please also note that, in 2003, we supported Sam's MSCS from Little Rock, Arkansas, bypassing several tracks along the way. In short, I'm sorry we couldn't support this series the way you desired. And, with the attitude I've gotten from you, a SCORA official, on this post, my motivation to support it in any way, shape or form in the future is waning. Tim Simmons

Tim, I have had so many reason why guys couldn't support the steel block deal and frankly some are good and some are lame.You may have had a good reason, I don't know and I really don't care. But the fact is we can not base the future of the series on 3 teams. Does it suck yes it does but Sam had do what was best to keep the series going and as I have stated we have made mistakes but our intentions have always been to give the "working man" a series to call their own. This can work and the feed back received from a ton of racers, other than a small few, has been positive. As for my attitude goes I am getting fustrated because we are getting slammed the most from people that really haven't supported the series at all or if they did it was only a small amount and if you decide not to run with us than I for one can tell you Jake will be missed..

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE Did you ever think that in your rush to be the greatest facility in Indiana, you didn't understand your core group of racers and what teams were needing in order to compete at your facility? Dave, you have a top notch facility and the type of race track I personally enjoy, but there is a reason places like Eldora don't have a weekly sprint series. You have to use these places as specialty stops for a touring series to get good counts. Honestly, I think it's wonderful what your purse pays, and guys who see your counts are down will come over to get the start money, but it will take alot of money to get a good weekly count.

Heres where your totally wrong. Dave, the previous promotor and most racers didn't want the new track.

THEY HAD NO CHOICE! Why would Dave personally put a ton of time and effort to bring back the old track prior to its demolition? Have Mel and other experts find great clay and not only have surfaced the track. BUT DONE IT THREE TIMES IN THREE YEARS!

Sorry Leaders Edge but it was council and Mayor Cunninghams decision and it seems no matter what the overal view was. It was getting done reguardless. Now to change it back would be nearly impossible unless they built a quarter inside the current track.

Chuck, who thinks at times the racings stellar at the new track and always faster and more exicting. It was as many others were saying and quit coming because. It was getting to be the same ole huggy pole track every week prior to Daves take over. Im not laying fault on anyone. Im told previous promotors were denyed new clay and the one prior to dave actually had to cut the surface off of it to make it racable at all..

[Hamby812]

Could you not just make the aluminum motors throw on weight. I mean that would be simple enough and should even up the playin field, plus the tire rule. I also agree with the idea about a centrally located 1/4 mi. or so track instead of traveling or maybe make it like a 3 or 5 track thing and just do those instead of traveling all over all the time. Best of luck to the series!

[Tim]

Originally Posted by Hamby812 Could you not just make the aluminum motors throw on weight. I mean that would be simple enough and should even up the playin field, plus the tire rule. I also agree with the idea about a centrally located 1/4 mi. or so track instead of traveling or maybe make it like a 3 or 5 track thing and just do those instead of traveling all over all the time. Best of luck to the series!

All ideas bantered about during the original "allowing aluminum blocks" debacle the week before Kankakee. The problem encountered, however, seemed to be, for lack of a better word, ignorance concerning the physics of a sprint car. Additional weight was determined to be a good alternative, but the powers that be were allowing the weight to be placed anywhere on the car. The steel block's disadvantage is having the weight ahead of the rear motor plate. When this was outlined to the powers that be, they would not budge. The tire rule was also discussed, with the "determination" that it would be too hard to police.

Eventually, common sense prevailed in the presence of Joe Chambers and the series continued as original, with good car counts at all subsequent shows, I believe.

I wonder why Mr. Chambers has not yet weighed in on this subject. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Tim Simmons

Originally Posted by Hamby812 Could you not just make the aluminum motors throw on weight. I mean that would be simple enough and should even up the playin field, plus the tire rule. I also agree with the idea about a centrally located 1/4 mi. or so track instead of traveling or maybe make it like a 3 or 5 track thing and just do those instead of traveling all over all the time. Best of luck to the series!

We have talked about that and are looking at everything there is to help the series. I would love to hear any positive ideas like this and we thank you for any and all imput..