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I have looked on their site and I see no mention of payouts, specifically starting money. If anyone knows the payouts for the next three races, beyond what it pays to win I would be very thankful. We are looking to come "north" and race

Rick Holder
Howard Racing
http://www.howardracing.net

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heres 2 phone numbers from their website contact list
Tom Helfrich 812-768-6025 (Owner of Tri State Speedway at Haubstadt)
Eldon Butcher 812-749-9715

I have often wondered what their payoff was too and don't remember ever seeing anything

Tim Wolffrum aka Cowboy

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I have been a party to this subject more than once..... I would like to know how they figure their payoff also . It could be part of their dwindling car counts. Most racers are realist`s. They look at the least they might make by making the show then figure their towing expenses from there.

I think it is only fair to your contractors ( racers ) to give them some idea of what kind of wages they are working for. I am sure Mr Helfrich would not haul his equipment to another racetrack to prep it for a " We`ll pay you something for doing it . " Or Mr. Butcher with his camera equipment .

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Sure would like to see Howard Racing come north. Saw you at I-30 and talked to several of the group. Really nice guys and good racers. Come on up!

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We are looking at it, if the start money, assuming we can make it is "good enough". Our non wing races are paying $500 to win, and he's won 5 times this year with our worst finish being 3rd. The payout is pretty low, but like you guys said, having to justify the travel, tires, fuel and pit passes. I really hope to come, and I may be in the stands even if Jan isn't racing!

Rick

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I am not sure about the MSCS payout but its not shabby. the thing IS that this year IF you get lapped you can score no better than what position you were in when you got lapped therefor, you cannot make any more money that what that position pays no matter where you finish.

For instance, IF everyone drops out of the race and you stayed in and finished 2nd you get paid for the position you were in when you got lapped. :11:

Thats the way it has been explained to me anyway......???

The problem with MSCS is they're not trying to draw "the regulars" they are trying to draw all the big names and gettin em, therefore you don't see the Billy Puterbaughs, T'mez & Hazen, Kent Christian, Casey Shumans & so on, the other local track heroes show up for a MSCS race unless their regular tracks aren't running.

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Actually that's not quite correct.

Let's say you are running 12th and get lapped on the 10th lap of the A - positions 1-11 are now on the lead lap, you are one lap down.

On lap 15 - the cars in positions 2,4 & 5 crash and are out of the race - let's pretend there was no passing and everyone else finished in the order you were running.

The finish would be: 1,3,6,7,8,9,10,11, 12 (you) then positions 2,4 & 5. That's how the payout would be determined. That's how it has been figured as long as I've known, and nothing changed this year with regards to how lapped cars are finished. On the board, laps completed are noted with the official finish - so you can see if someone dropped out how many laps they completed and if you are a lap car how many laps you completed.

I think what you might be confused about is the fact that we do not make our lap cars go to the tail on a restart. Everyone stays in their running order - unless you elect to tag the tail. Simply put, if the leader just lapped a car - and obviously had to work to do so - why should the guy in 2nd get the easy way out by making a lap car go to the tail and he not have to pass him to get to the guy in the lead? And secondly, the lap car has just as much of a right to try to earn his spot back as the guy in 4th trying to make a move for 3rd.

I hope that clears it up.

Sacha

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Hi -

I don't know what it pays to start the feature this weekend but I do know that everyone that does not make the feature gets $100 in tow money. That has been a staple of MSCS from the beginning.

If you look on here somewhere you'll see a post from Racin Jason Adams about this weekend, he is the MSCS Tour Director. I imagine he could tell you what it pays to start the A.

Hope to see you here the weather is going to be beautiful!

Sacha

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[QUOTE=wtvwrocks;131892]Actually that's not quite correct.

Let's say you are running 12th and get lapped on the 10th lap of the A - positions 1-11 are now on the lead lap, you are one lap down.

On lap 15 - the cars in positions 2,4 & 5 crash and are out of the race - let's pretend there was no passing and everyone else finished in the order you were running.

The finish would be: 1,3,6,7,8,9,10,11, 12 (you) then positions 2,4 & 5. That's how the payout would be determined. That's how it has been figured as long as I've known, and nothing changed this year with regards to how lapped cars are finished. On the board, laps completed are noted with the official finish - so you can see if someone dropped out how many laps they completed and if you are a lap car how many laps you completed.


I hope that clears it up.

Sacha[COLOR="Black"]



Sacha,

In your example would I get paid for 9th or 12th?

Tim Simmons

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So that finally explains why we ran 9th at the finish at Haubstadt one night and got paid for 17th.

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Rick,

Sunday's MSCS race at Tri-State Speedway in Haubstadt, IN will pay $3,000 to win and $200 to start. We will start 21 cars with the 21st spot going to an MSCS provisional if needed. We also have $100 Tow Money for every car that takes a GREEN flag lap but does not transfer to the A Main.

Racin Jason Adams-Tour Director and Series Announcer
Midwest Sprint Car Series
www.mscssprints.com
racinjasonadams@yahoo.com
812-664-8268

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Dave,

What do you mean we are trying to draw the big names and getting them? Are you saying it's a bad thing if Dave Darland and Levi Jones decide to come run an MSCS race? Why don't you ask Dave, Levi, Coons, or Gardner how many times I have called them and asked them to come to an MSCS race? They will tell you ZERO!!

Yes every week of one of our shows I will call or email our drivers and ask if they are coming to that weekends race? But I am not out hunting and searching for the biggest names. It is an extra treat for the fans if any of the "big names" as you call it, show up.

If memory serves me correctly Dave, I spoke to Casey Shuman in Victory lane at Morgan County Speedway on June 5th.

Racin Jason Adams-Tour Director and Series Announcer
Midwest Sprint Car Series
www.mscssprints.com
racinjasonadams@yahoo.com
812-664-8268

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Once you get lapped you are no longer scored because you are 1 lap down and cannot improve your position.

It has nothing to do with sending a lapped car to the tail on a :41::restart, you line up where your lapped at yes.

I believe 2 people have proven my theory Sacha.

It will be interesting to see what big names go to Kokomo this Sunday......:18:.......They will wait on a car to change a flat.:3:

We still don't know what the payoff is......??? Why don't they post it like Dave Rudisell does?

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[QUOTE=Tim;131915]
9th - you finished 9th - you get paid for the position you finished in, lead lap, lap car or fallout.

There are several scenarios where you might think that you are in 9th or somewhere else and that is your position on the track but not your scoring order. Go back to my example:

12 cars - 30 lap feature

On lap 10 car# 12 gets lapped - running order on the track is 1, 12, 2,3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
On lap 15 car # 2,4 & 5 crash and are out - running order on the track is now: 1,12, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11
On lap 20 car # 10 gets lapped - running order on the track is 1, 10, 12, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11

Official finish would be: 1st place 1; 2nd place 3, 3rd place 6, 4th place 7, 5th place 8, 6th place 9, 7th place 11, 8th place 10 (cause he was only down one lap and lapped most recently) 9th place 12, 10th place 2, 11th place 4, 12th place 5

Is it starting to make sense? So even though the 12 car is running in 3rd on the track he is a lap down at the end and would officially finish after the cars on the lead lap - the 10 car would finish in front of him because both cars were down one lap and the 10 car was running in front of the 12 car at the checkered.

When you get into situations sometimes with cars still running and being 2 laps down then you have to figure that in also. This is why at Haubstadt where there can be a lot of lap cars we have one person that is the only job they have to watch the lap cars and keep track of them (who are they and how many laps down) when you calculate the finish you go through all cars to determine if they are on the lead lap. Fall outs are added from the bottom (last place) up depending on what lap they went out on.

Clear as mud, right? Want to come help with the 50 lapper??? :3:

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I don't know who you have talked to but as long as Ive been scoring I continue to score every car until they crash or finish lap car or not.....and there have been times (very very rare) that a lap car has improved it's position.....I'm not sure how your theory has been proven or maybe I'm not understanding your explanation. Always a finish shows on the board the cars on the lead laps, then lap cars, then fall outs.....it shows the laps completed....so if we were going to finish the lap cars after the fall outs it would reflect that on the board, and obviously just because a lap car is running 2nd we both know he's not in 2nd place so we wouldn't pay him accordingly.

Maybe I'm confused but I have always scored every car every lap because you never know what could happen....

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[QUOTE=wtvwrocks;131945]Thanks, Sasha,

I didn't see the 12 cars - 30 laps scenario in the original example.

And, No - I have no desire to come help score the 50 lapper. I've tried scoring before and gained immediate respect for anyone who does that job. Knowing me, I'd probably get caught up just watching the car my son drives and forget about the rest. But, that's just me.:2: Ya'll do a magnificently difficult job, but usually only hear about it from the negative side. I'll tell you that I appreciate your efforts.

Tim Simmons

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Not sure why Motormasher is chiming in now on this subject. Just trying to stir up sh*% as usual. Don't think he would be there regardless.

Scorers have a difficult and thankless job. Known Jan and Bob for years.

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LOOK OUT.... KEYBOARDMASHER..I MEAN MOTORMASTERBATOR is out high on his horse with his hard on for MSCS....Have you been in a position to be scored as a lap car in a MSCS race this year? Just curious... I know your riding on on your heat race romp at LPS... but ***... get off the hard on for MSCS and race some of there shows.. oh wait wait.. to many big names... forgot. Can't compete.. WAIT WAIT.... LORDY LORDY its not at Bloomington Speedway.... HARD ON GROWING.... KATIE BAR THE DOOR......it costs to much money for Motormasher to compete because MSCS is for the big guy....... THEN TAKE A HINT..... SHUT UP AND RACE or GET OVER IT.

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID = YOUR HARD ON FOR MSCS

:34::14:

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Beautiful!!!!!!! Couldn't have said it any better Trent!!!

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Here's a racer from Byhalia, Mississippi (Jan Howard) wanting to race with the mscs....asking a question about what 2nd thru 20th pays but I haven't seen any answer to his question.

Tim Wolffrum aka Cowboy

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One of the biggest misconceptions about payoff "errors" is that a lot of people don't bother to check the finish to see where they actually finished. I ALWAYS write down the finish and ensure I get paid for where they have me finishing. Just because you think you finished 8th, you might have been lapped, there might have been cars you thought were lapped that weren't, any number of reasons and honestly it's not the officials' responsibility to look after YOUR car, especially if you think there's a problem.

Maybe if he handled it professionally by making a phone call or sending an email, he'd get an answer instead of pursuing some shadowy agenda by making a public uproar about it on a message board. Jason Adams posts here regularly, he's not that difficult to get a hold of.

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Payouts are hidden and I do not understand why?? There is a very simple way to end all of this and post the damn payouts!!! I love the shows of the MSCS and like hearing Jason Adams call the race but c'mon guys post the payout so these drivers that want to attend can make plans to be there!

Maybe Robert Ballou said it all correct in Terre Haute earlier this year? Maybe this is the reason for the dwindling car counts??

Jason Watt

Never scared to post my name to a post!!

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Guys, I'm not sure what uproar I caused by asking a simple question? More specifically I was wondering about the next two $10,000 to win shows. Like I said, we just want to see. Jason did answer about the start money, which is what I was wondering, but I had two other races in mind. No harm done to either side I'd say.

Oh our shop gate was torn off last night, these jackasses dragged our truck and trailer away from the fence with a wrecker, stole our push mule, large tool box and a borrowed open car hauler to take their new prizes home with them!! Don't you just love a thief??

Seriously, if Jason or someone with MSCS would message or call me I'm more than thankful. You can contact me, Rick at 901-647-8283 after 2 pm or Jan Howard at 901-262-1884.

Rick Holder
Howard Racing

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[QUOTE=MemphisMissile46;132022]Seriously, if Jason or someone with MSCS would message or call me I'm more than thankful. You can contact me, Rick at 901-647-8283 after 2 pm or Jan Howard at 901-262-1884./QUOTE]

Seems to me if you want to know bad enough, you'll call them.

Why do people insist on putting the onus on others, when they could easily rectify it themselves?

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I just got in touch with Jason Adams, thanks again for the call Jason! This is a PR guy who does it right!

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Like Rick mentioned, I have spoken to him and also spoken to Jan Howard. Both very nice guys with alot of respect and knowledge for our great sport. Hopefully now that everybody knows we have spoken the nonsense BS posts will stop.

Looking forward to seeing the Howard Racing Team at an MSCS show when their schedule allows.

Racin Jason Adams-Tour Director and Series Announcer
Midwest Sprint Car Series
www.mscssprints.com
racinjasonadams@yahoo.com
812-664-8268

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I skipped every post on here (meaning i didn't read them) but, we finished 12th and made $280. We were guaranteed $100 to show up. We're happy!

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:5: :5: This ought to get good :5: :5:

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Sure is funny THEY WON'T POST THEIR PAYOFF!!!:15:

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whats it matter to you anyways your not going to get any of the payout b/c your to good to race with the mscs

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lol!

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Im not the one who ASKED in the 1st place so get that straight. But I think its funny :5: they won't post it like Dave Rudisell does.

2ndly I could care less about MSCS.:26:

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So then apparently you don't need to know!!! Why would you care what the payoff is if you "care less" about the MSCS?!?!?!?!
I don't really like gettin on here anymore cuz it seems like everytime I do someone has something negative to say about someone!!

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great point coach!!!!!

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Ok..first off, Rick the person who did ask, has been told the payoff. Secondly if you could careless about the MSCS, then why get on here and complain about them?? :15: I don't understand why you have such a beef w/the MSCS when you don't even race w/them!!! :11:
It's perfectly fine that Rudisell gets on here and posts his payouts. But LPS, Paragon, Gas City,and Bloomington do not post their total payouts, neither does USAC nor is it on any of their websites!!! Why don't you complain about them too??

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If you don't care, then here's a novel concept.... STAY OUT OF THE THREAD!

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Because his hard-on is for MSCS. I think at this stage even he does not know what his beef is with MSCS.

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Bloomington and USAC's payouts are posted on their websites.

Out of curiosity I looked and bloomingtons is not - there is a link to it under racer info but when you click on the link it says "page not found" and I couldn't find usacs but that doesn't mean it isn't there.
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I experienced the same problems on Bton's website and I searched all over USAC's and couldn't find anything..but like you said, it doesn't mean its not on there.

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USAC's is on their website...Go to the owners garage section and lower right they have the entry blanks posted for each race.....I clicked on the Terre Haute Sept 12th sprint show....shows every position and total purse....$5,000 to win down to $400 for 22nd in the feature. The Duquion silver crown race is on there and other upcoming races.

Tim Wolffrum aka Cowboy

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How about we let this thread die? Jason spoke to the person who was originally asking for the information. Mission accomplished. If anyone else wants to know I'm sure Jason would be happy to speak to them in private, no need to have this on a public forum.

Motormasher is just on here to cause trouble. Let's quit enabling him.

Now, let's get this 3-day racing weekend started!!! :23:

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Here's a link to the entry blank for the USAC race at THAT on 9/12.

http://www.usacracing.com/assets/fil...Haute91209.pdf

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Cowboy
Maybe you should spend less time looking for stuff on the internet and more time getting a job, you old codger. LOL! Seriously, though, is the "Hoffman Gear Specialist" going to be on-hand at the Haute next Saturday?

Jake.

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There must be an issue with Bloomington's website right now. You get an error when you click on any of the links, not just the payoff. I'm sure Judy will have it up and running shortly.