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Any mscs or war or usac- car drivers going to Knoxville? $20 grand to win pretty enticing I would think?

Usac-cra

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Jimmy,

Look on IOW for thread from USAC on entry list increased by six. It gives a complete listing of the pre-entries so far. Hope you & Tanya are recovering well.

Bruce Eckel :D:6:

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MSCS is @ LPS on JULY 5th & 6th.

Does anyone know how they are going to award qualifying points (the ones that go towards determining Saturday’s A, B, C & D Mains) if they split the field into qualifying flights? Will they award the points based on the actual times? Or will they “zipper” the flights & award by position in the flights?

I would think they would award full points for each flight or it defeats the purpose of having flights in the first place.

Yes Bruce saw that a lot of names missing from that list Damian Gardner Dave darland just a couple off the top of my head we are doing good thank you

Well I just found out that mscs are racing at LPs the weekend of cornbelt nationals usac- car has a show at Santa Maria so looks like like 43 or so cars for the cornbelt nat's at Knoxville and that's a shame tracks and sanctions should work together on.a big event.like at Knoxville no help from mscs no help usac-cra no Gardner no road no rj Johnson man that's gonna suck thanks for trying kville

MSCS has run LPS this weekend for the last 5 years

I feel your pain, between USAC/CRA and MSCS not in attendance we will be short 10-12 quality cars. The success of this event is fan support. We put 8-10 thousand fans in the stand it will return and grow! Maybe next year they will be able schedule it conflict free.

Painful and far too common. Scheduling against major events and other tracks is near epidemic. Those who are familiar with what happened to post WW II midget racing can see many similarities. Too many tracks, sanctioning bodies all vying for the same competitors and fans is not a good plan for the future. Over saturation in all current sports is problematic. Things become too commonplace and lose their unique appeal.

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If the Doc doesn't clear me, I may have to cancel going to Knoxville. Has anyone seen a payout for the MSCS at Putnamville? Saw it pays $4000 to win, but no other information. $25 seems a little high to me, when a $25 USAC race pays $5000 to win and $500 to start. Also no USAC sanction fee or USAC insurance cost. I am sure they will have a good car count and a good crowd to honor Bill. I would like to see how the total purse compares for the ticket price.

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Let's be clear here. This was already an established event. And a successful one. In this case, USAC pulled out of their night of the Bill Gardner Sprintacular and scheduled this event against it. That was fully their right to do so. But, no reasonable person would expect MSCS or Joe Spiker to either cancel their event or be forced to move it to a different date. Out there, they'll have all the USAC regular stars and the POWRi WAR Series, so there's enough of a lineup for a great race and car count. And there's going to be enough super drivers back here to provide us with a hell of an MSCS triple header racing weekend. There's enough really good, competitive local teams in this area that live, race and survive on a budget. It just doesn't make sense to expect a lot of those teams to pull their operation 350 miles to take on the top flight national teams, on a big, fast half mile oval. The same principle that always applies when the racing goes to the Action Track.

Jerry

Lisa and I can't wait Jimmy. Been looking forward to it for some time. Lots of history at Kville, and we had a ball at the 2017 HOF induction of DD, and Elliot. Wishing you a speedy recovery!

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In asking this question, are you saying that if you don’t like the purse you will sit at home??? I understand that if medical issues don’t allow you to travel you are on plan B, but I just want to understand the question from someone who has said on his board that people need to show up regardless of weather or day of the week or whatever else is an excuse. If you are just asking a question and sort of whining about the ticket price then oh well. Just seems funny you would put out a statement like that knowing you say go to the races no matter what.

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Tracks work together to assure good car counts? Not unless they run both tracks.. Rain's not the only reason I've stayed home a couple saturdays.

It’s in Bills honor Funk. Really no reason to try to dog. Unless you got a car entered why you care what total purse is? Why did USAC decide to schedule against this race? SMH

8 hours to Knoxville
2.5 Hours to Putnamville
I will support local track and Mr. Gardner and be at Putnamville.

Not trying to start anything, but did Knoxville offer these dates and approach USAC and POWRi/WAR with the opportunity to sanction or did USAC request these dates from Knoxville? If Knoxville offered the dates and approached USAC and POWRi/WAR to sanction, how could they turn it down? Ever since Knoxville went wings for the Nationals, non-wing fans have said there needed to be a Nationals for traditional sprint cars. No, this isn’t exactly a Nationals format, but it is a first step.

Yes, some may call the Smackdown a Nationals style event, and it has certainly become a major event. But, with the Knoxville Nationals, the 360 Nationals and the Late Model Nationals (I know, I know, who cares about Late Models) all at Knoxville, and with the NSCHoF at Knoxville, it kind of makes sense that if there ever is a non-wing Nationals it be at Knoxville.

It is a bit disappointing to see that CRA booked against this. Back in the day the best California guys came out to run the Nationals and I'm guessing CRA/ Ascot didn't book against it. Maybe the owners told USAC they weren't coming out either way so why not have a race at home. It's also disappointing to see that they are running their weekly winged 410's with this too. They should offer them points to run in the non-wing program. That would add a few more cars. It seems like Knoxville was almost all in on this but not quite. I'm not sure that's good enough but it is a step in the right direction. Hopefully they have sense enough to prep the track with non-wing racing in mind. What I saw there last Saturday isn't going to cut it. Hard slick in hot laps will not showcase what non-wing cars can do and only make them look slow compared to wing cars. But, I'm sure there are forces there that will want just that so the local program doesn't get upstaged. We'll see. Definitely excited for this rare opportunity to see the non-wing cars at the Mecca of sprint car racing! Putnamville will have them the next week and the week after that and the week after that.......

This is what makes this country great. Everyone has options and choices. We support local tracks as often as we can, but also like to go somewhere different every once in a while. So whether you go to LPS or Knoxville - and for whatever reason - have a great time, be safe, and pray for dry weather. We’re excited to see members of our racing families in Knoxville next weekend. Wherever you go, you’ll see a damn good race.

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Ummm I hate to break it to you but CRA is a USAC series so in essence they are running against themselves. Thats not to say that any of them would have come anyway with the exception of Roa who will be coming west for sprintweek. To get them to come would require them to be running for points like they were when they used to have a midwest tour but that was maybe 10-12 cars anyway.

Wish we wete going but we are getting closer hoping sprint week at gas will be our return see what doc tells me

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Check out the Post about "6 more entries"
Looks pretty similar to Knoxville winged Nationals format... you have to qualify well

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Haven't made up my mind yet, but not sure why the purse is such a secret, if this is a big event. I was just asking a question. Yes I do stay home from multiple class special shows. Don't mind them on weekly shows, but my time is tight in the summer.

Just to clarify some stuff on here, this is a Knoxville event, they asked for help and cooperation from POWRi/WAR and Usac to make it a successful one that can maybe grown into a big annual event. That is the reason we decided to be involved, because I feel like non wing cars deserve to have a huge event in the sprint car capital. I understand that there will be other events running in different states on that same weekend and I hope they have success as well, but we as non wing fans, teams, drivers etc may only get one chance to make this type of event fly, and I hope it gets the support it needs to continue. No doubt the on track product will be awesome.

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Non-wing sprint car racing needs it's own big event that pays $50,000 or near to win with a respectable purse; but it needs it in what I feel is the home state of non-wings, in Indiana.
Outside of Lawrenceburg, I don't know of a place that could take a real go of trying to make it work due to limited seating.

There are very few big paying non-wing events; which is why it's good to support them when someone tries to put one together. That said that doesn't mean everyone has to give up the weekend and ship off 7 hours or more away.

Maybe if Knoxville or anyone else starts and grows and event it will eventually earn World 100 type of respect where no one would dare schedule against it with a semi major series or anywhere near the track. But that takes time to earn.

[QUOTE=brsteg;515772]Non-wing sprint car racing needs it's own big event that pays $50,000 or near to win with a respectable purse; but it needs it in what I feel is the home state of non-wings, in Indiana.
Outside of Lawrenceburg, I don't know of a place that could take a real go of trying to make it work due to limited seating.


There are very few big paying non-wing events; which is why it's good to support them when someone tries to put one together. That said that doesn't mean everyone has to give up the weekend and ship off 7 hours or more away.

Maybe if Knoxville or anyone else starts and grows and event it will eventually earn World 100 type of respect where no one would dare schedule against it with a semi major series or anywhere near the track. But that takes time to earn.[/QUOTE

So are you putting up the 50K?

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I highly doubt any of the local wing guys would take their wings off to run this. RJ Johnson offered up a car but then had the other RJ Johnson pilot it correct? That's the only local car to the best of my knowledge that has taken a wing off. Track prep shouldn't be an issue at all. Knoxville has one of the best, if not the best, track prep crews in the country and their dirt is great. They had it juiced up in 17' and good in 18' as well. Knoxville wants this race to succeed, so some conspiracy about not wanting to upstage it's regular program is laughable.

95% of local, self funded teams are not going to haul 7 hours to race a half mile track in which they have an undoubtedly slim chance of winning or even making the show. It's common sense for these guys to go race at Putnamville. It's that cut and dry, not sure why people can't wrap their heads around that. I don’t think you are taking away any cars from Knoxville as most of these MSCS guys weren’t even planning on going there to begin with.

Our racing family's will be in the house for the Knoxville usac racing events . Looking forward to having a great time and enjoy the great weekend of racing events. Just go out and enjoy all the great things that we all love. God bless America. Thanks.

Kokomo is trying with the smackdown wish get more sponser help maybe have bigger prize monies to win

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If a promoter felt that the race team and fan support would justify a high-paying ($50k to win) event for non-wing sprint cars, then it would exist. Apparently, there isn’t a promoter who thinks the support would be there to do it.

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Its a great idea & i hope it works! :23:

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Makes perfect sense to me, plus they probably don't want to burn out their engines on a half mile :31:

I’m not saying you aren’t correct, but why does the Knoxville Nationals annually draw close to 100 cars? There are cars that come in from the California, NY, PA and other states that are local and are way more than 7 hrs. away from Knoxville. Many of these cars rarely race more than 100 miles from their home. Unless some of the entrants live in a fantasy world, most of the cars that show up HAVE to know they have no chance of advancing out the C main. If I’m not mistaken, 5th place in last year’s Knoxville Nationals C main (the first place not to advance) paid $2000. That would not pay the fuel bill for the hauler from CA to IA and back.

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Because much like the Chili Bowl, it's an event people want to be a part of. It's prestigious.

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They didnt have 200+ cars at the first Chili Bowl or 100 + cars at the first Knoxville nationals. Give it time, if it is worth repeating it will continue but you cant expect to have an iconic race right out of the chute, it just doesnt work that way. You also cant expect a promoter to just walk away from his most successful weekend of the year because there is a big race 3 states away for what you call "the good of the sport". Joe runs a business and he should do what is right for his business. The USAC races on that weekend have been close to if not the highest attended races USAC ran the past several years and they had equally high crowds the next night when MSCS sanctioned. Doesnt make sense for him to walk away from that.

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I have not been to Knoxville and so far I am going. 40 cars sounds good to me plus never being there i get to see 360's and 410 wings on a historic track.

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$25 , The usual price to pay to attend a USAC show with its 10 cars and 12 local field fillers...$25 to go to LPS to see 40 cars, sounds like a deal.... Paragon, 2 nights at LPS , solid weekend!!

Add dickie Gaines and Dave darland to the driver roster for the cornbelt nationals