Bad calls at waynesfield

racer22r · 7/4/11, 10:34 PM

I Hate to dog a race track and thats not really what this is about, I am just voicing my opinion since the person who made the calls would'nt come and talk to either person envolved in some bad calls this weekend. In my case I won my heat race and was later told i got moved back to third place because I passed the leader before the flag stand. What happened though was as we had a restart I restarted second and right before the flag stand the leaders fuel pump went bad and his car wouldnt keep the pace as he pulled up high i went under him to avoid hitting him in the rear and tearing our cars up, not to mention i had about 7 other cars behind me comming on with a full head of steam. I could understand the call they made if the guy leading on the restart had finished second or third but he didnt his car was barley able to make it around for the last lap and he later replaced the fuel pump and ran the B main. On the single file restart there wasn't a cone out which everywhere i have raced at puts a cone out on a single file restart, It's a little hard to try to watch the car in front of you and look to the right to make sure you've passed the flag stand. this is just one of several crappy calls that was made this past saturday night. I asked to speak to the person who made the call and i was told they would come talk to me but after about 45 min. no one came to talk to me about it. The guy doing the lineup shoot told me that they told him to tell me a rule is a rule and that i passed before the flag stand and basically next time someone breaks in front of me im supposed to just run them over if i want to keep my spot.

Need For Speed · 7/5/11, 1:09 AM

So what exactly are you honked off about?

A)That the guy in the infield didn't set the cone out (you know you can't pass before the flag stand, so the cone is redundant anyway)

B)That somebody didn't come from the tower to tell you that you were docked 2 spots for 'jumping the start'?

C) Both A & B

D) You just want to complain about a heat race, where you still tranferred to the feature.

Did you know at the time of the restart that Rob Winks fuel pump was bad....no, he just didn't take off....and you passed him before the flagstand. Passing before the stand = docked 2 spots from where you finish. If he would have got going off of 4, and just before the flagstand he jumped on the brakes, would it still be OK to pass him in your mind?

Doesn't matter anyway. NOBODY had anything for Devon Dobie in Saturday night's feature!!

Sprintcarfanatic · 7/5/11, 6:17 AM

I've seen things out there that are questionable all the time. Like if you are not going to throw the green, Flash the yellow light as the drivers are coming out of the 2nd turn so they can see it coming into turn 3 & they know they will not be going green. This happened about 3 wks ago & the flag person was waving the yellow, The guys were already on the gas, Well guess what they ended up with a 3 car pile up just passed the flag stand & then the flagger(s) were just standing up there shaking there heads. The kid with the cone stands there with the rope in his hand at the edge of the track. Just Sat night he dropped it & didn't even pay attention as the cars were going past as he picked it up. He also nonchalantly turns & walks back to the infield as the tail of the field comes by at the starts. Someone needs to tell the kid to pay attention at all times.

racer22r · 7/5/11, 9:26 AM

I am mad because without the cone it is hard to tell when your by the flag stand, it is a lot easier to watch the car in front of you and see the cone on the inside, since someone is to lazy to put a cone out and pay attention to it i have to try to look to the fence and find the flag stand. I knew from previous races and talks to Rob winks that he has been having trouble with his car not running right and when we took off he was going fine and then right before the flag stand his car just stopped pulling as hard and it was either run him over or dive under him, and because i dove under him to avoid a crash and a pile up i got docked 2 spots and yes i made it to the feature through that spot but it made me start a lot farther back then i would have if i would have been awarded the heat race win that i earned. Im just saying someone there made a bad call and they wouldnt even give me the time to explain why i got docked when it was either run rob over or go under him.

dkdorkboy · 7/5/11, 9:31 AM

They used the cone for the features.But not the heats.Don't understand that move at all.

Phylo82 · 7/5/11, 10:24 AM

I wasn't there so I didn't see what happened, but:

A. Cones should always be used. Much easier for the drivers to see a cone on the ground than a flagstand above them. Especially on a car with a wing.

B. If you are going to wave-off a start you better get the yellow lights on ASAP. As someone else mentioned, it's hard for the drivers to see the flagman when you are starting in the middle of the field. You are looking at a huge pile-up if the leaders stop because they see the yellow flag and no one else does because they can't see it.

I do have a question regarding bad re-starts at Waynesfield, why are some waved off and re-done while others are allowed to continue and the driver docked after the race rather than during?

A couple of weeks ago Broughton jumped the restart with 1 to go. It was waved off and he was moved to third. Then the race was re-started again. Is there a track rule for when to re-do a bad re-start and when not to?

WRP · 7/5/11, 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phylo82

I do have a question regarding bad re-starts at Waynesfield, why are some waved off and re-done while others are allowed to continue and the driver docked after the race rather than during?

A couple of weeks ago Broughton jumped the restart with 1 to go. It was waved off and he was moved to third. Then the race was re-started again. Is there a track rule for when to re-do a bad re-start and when not to?

The easiest way to explain it is that the flagger decides whether or not to start the race based upon the leaders approaching the cone at the bottom of turn 4 and the red stripe on the guardrail on the outside of turn 4. As long as leader doesn't jump before that imaginary line and the field is nose to tail, the flagger will throw the green and it's race on. At that point our flag crew is watching for wrecks, and or safety issues that would require a caution. From that point it is our responsibility in the tower to watch for cars jumping out of line, and or passing. We will not stop the race from the tower for a jump further back through the field. The rule is that a driver will be docked at the next caution or at the end of the race.

The Ryan Broughton incident is a prime example of the flag crew throwing the caution and docking the leader. Fortunately for Ryan, he was still able to grab the win.

Thanks for the question

Gerry

Phylo82 · 7/5/11, 10:04 PM

Thanks Gerry, appreciate the explanation.

7/4/11, 10:34 PM	#1 Bad calls at waynesfield
racer22r Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 120	I Hate to dog a race track and thats not really what this is about, I am just voicing my opinion since the person who made the calls would'nt come and talk to either person envolved in some bad calls this weekend. In my case I won my heat race and was later told i got moved back to third place because I passed the leader before the flag stand. What happened though was as we had a restart I restarted second and right before the flag stand the leaders fuel pump went bad and his car wouldnt keep the pace as he pulled up high i went under him to avoid hitting him in the rear and tearing our cars up, not to mention i had about 7 other cars behind me comming on with a full head of steam. I could understand the call they made if the guy leading on the restart had finished second or third but he didnt his car was barley able to make it around for the last lap and he later replaced the fuel pump and ran the B main. On the single file restart there wasn't a cone out which everywhere i have raced at puts a cone out on a single file restart, It's a little hard to try to watch the car in front of you and look to the right to make sure you've passed the flag stand. this is just one of several crappy calls that was made this past saturday night. I asked to speak to the person who made the call and i was told they would come talk to me but after about 45 min. no one came to talk to me about it. The guy doing the lineup shoot told me that they told him to tell me a rule is a rule and that i passed before the flag stand and basically next time someone breaks in front of me im supposed to just run them over if i want to keep my spot.

7/5/11, 1:09 AM	#2 Re: Bad calls at waynesfield
Need For Speed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 266	So what exactly are you honked off about? A)That the guy in the infield didn't set the cone out (you know you can't pass before the flag stand, so the cone is redundant anyway) B)That somebody didn't come from the tower to tell you that you were docked 2 spots for 'jumping the start'? C) Both A & B D) You just want to complain about a heat race, where you still tranferred to the feature. Did you know at the time of the restart that Rob Winks fuel pump was bad....no, he just didn't take off....and you passed him before the flagstand. Passing before the stand = docked 2 spots from where you finish. If he would have got going off of 4, and just before the flagstand he jumped on the brakes, would it still be OK to pass him in your mind? Doesn't matter anyway. NOBODY had anything for Devon Dobie in Saturday night's feature!!

7/5/11, 6:17 AM	#3 Re: Bad calls at waynesfield
Sprintcarfanatic Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 755	I've seen things out there that are questionable all the time. Like if you are not going to throw the green, Flash the yellow light as the drivers are coming out of the 2nd turn so they can see it coming into turn 3 & they know they will not be going green. This happened about 3 wks ago & the flag person was waving the yellow, The guys were already on the gas, Well guess what they ended up with a 3 car pile up just passed the flag stand & then the flagger(s) were just standing up there shaking there heads. The kid with the cone stands there with the rope in his hand at the edge of the track. Just Sat night he dropped it & didn't even pay attention as the cars were going past as he picked it up. He also nonchalantly turns & walks back to the infield as the tail of the field comes by at the starts. Someone needs to tell the kid to pay attention at all times.

7/5/11, 9:31 AM	#5 Re: Bad calls at waynesfield
dkdorkboy Senior Member Race Count This Year: 37 Race Count Last Year: 52 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,246	They used the cone for the features.But not the heats.Don't understand that move at all.

7/5/11, 10:24 AM	#6 Re: Bad calls at waynesfield
Phylo82 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,054	I wasn't there so I didn't see what happened, but: A. Cones should always be used. Much easier for the drivers to see a cone on the ground than a flagstand above them. Especially on a car with a wing. B. If you are going to wave-off a start you better get the yellow lights on ASAP. As someone else mentioned, it's hard for the drivers to see the flagman when you are starting in the middle of the field. You are looking at a huge pile-up if the leaders stop because they see the yellow flag and no one else does because they can't see it. I do have a question regarding bad re-starts at Waynesfield, why are some waved off and re-done while others are allowed to continue and the driver docked after the race rather than during? A couple of weeks ago Broughton jumped the restart with 1 to go. It was waved off and he was moved to third. Then the race was re-started again. Is there a track rule for when to re-do a bad re-start and when not to?

7/5/11, 10:04 PM	#8 Re: Bad calls at waynesfield
Phylo82 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,054	Thanks Gerry, appreciate the explanation.