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Motormasher (Offline)
  #1 5/11/09 12:04 PM
I don't understand why tracks or sanctioning bodies are imposing a rule that U can't change a flat tire in a feature and return to finish.

I realize we can't hold up the show, but on 1st lap crashes, why not? It isn't fair to work all week and drive to a track and make the show and then have a flat (or something else minor) and then be told to load it up and go home.
I wanted to see Jon Stanbrough in that $10k show at Haubstadt a couple of years ago and there has been other situations just like that where as a fan I felt cheated, let alone how Jon and his crew felt.

Since when has pit stops became illegal in racing? As for open reds, when there gonna be long ones what the hell does that hurt? Gives crew a chance to check over the car, have a chance to comunicate with your driver and make sure he knows where to line up on restart.
SPRINTCAR (Offline)
  #2 5/11/09 12:11 PM
We are being cheated as a fan
sprinter25 (Offline)
  #3 5/11/09 2:57 PM
Several years ago at Calistoga, a guy pitted about mid-race to change his RR tire; he ended up winning the race after coming from the rear! By putting on a new RR tire, he had fresher/newer rubber that allowed him to pass everyone who were racing on older tires. So he gained an advantage by pitting and changing the tire. And it was a big advantage, especially on a tire-eating track

I would think that the only way that sanctioning bodies and track can prevent the "new rubber" performance advantage is to not allow any team to change a tire during the race, especially at those tracks that are known to wear tires out. Now, if all cars changed tires at the same time so no one car gained the advantage of new tires, well then........And almost everyone knows the advantage of new tires....

So while most of us love to see a car charge through the field. it should be a level playing field, don't you think?
JordanBlanton (Offline)
  #4 5/11/09 3:17 PM
Originally Posted by sprinter25:
Several years ago at Calistoga, a guy pitted about mid-race to change his RR tire; he ended up winning the race after coming from the rear! By putting on a new RR tire, he had fresher/newer rubber that allowed him to pass everyone who were racing on older tires. So he gained an advantage by pitting and changing the tire. And it was a big advantage, especially on a tire-eating track

I would think that the only way that sanctioning bodies and track can prevent the "new rubber" performance advantage is to not allow any team to change a tire during the race, especially at those tracks that are known to wear tires out. Now, if all cars changed tires at the same time so no one car gained the advantage of new tires, well then........And almost everyone knows the advantage of new tires....

So while most of us love to see a car charge through the field. it should be a level playing field, don't you think?

Devil's advocate for a moment: since when was strategy not a part of racing? Silver Crown race last year at DuQuoin, Darland pitted on a yellow to take a new right rear; that was an exciting final handful of laps.
sprinter25 (Offline)
  #5 5/11/09 7:47 PM
Originally Posted by JordanBlanton:
Devil's advocate for a moment: since when was strategy not a part of racing? Silver Crown race last year at DuQuoin, Darland pitted on a yellow to take a new right rear; that was an exciting final handful of laps.
All that kind of strategy on a sprint car race will do is drive up the price of racing for everyone. Strategy is a big part of SC racing; you need to make your stuff last 100 laps. And Darland had an "unfair" advantage; suppose everyone had changed a tire there. While the concept is far-fetched, it certainly would have eliminated the new tire advantage that Dave had...and SC teams could stop the practice of changing tires and winning if everyone stopped to change tires once anyone stopped to change tires...

But "strategically" changing a tire in a 30 lap sprint car race will only force others to do the same, just driving up the price of poker for everyone. Win at all costs???? Man, I hope not......
kylecumminsfan (Offline)
  #6 5/11/09 7:57 PM
i think that hunter should have been able to change his tire since there was no laps recorded..
Tim Clauson (Offline)
  #7 5/11/09 8:07 PM
I have never understood why a organization would have a race event and then come up with rules to keep its participants from racing.

If repairs can be made that do not hold up the show then I say why not ? No 2 lap rule if you are not ready by the time the flagman gives the one to go (1 lap later 50 laps later) then you do not go. If it takes an hour to get the line up right then so be it if the next yellow is a quicky yellow so be it. As the costs continue to rise for these teams to participate I am in favor of what ever it takes (within reason) to keep these teams on the track with at least an opportunity to earn something for their effort.

Tim Clauson
SHORTBUS (Offline)
  #8 5/11/09 8:13 PM
Originally Posted by tim clauson:
i have never understood why a organization would have a race event and then come up with rules to keep its participants from racing.

If repairs can be made that do not hold up the show then i say why not ? No 2 lap rule if you are not ready by the time the flagman gives the one to go (1 lap later 50 laps later) then you do not go. If it takes an hour to get the line up right then so be it if the next yellow is a quicky yellow so be it. As the costs continue to rise for these teams to participate i am in favor of what ever it takes (within reason) to keep these teams on the track with at least an opportunity to earn something for their effort.

Tim clauson
amen
Dave Rudisell (Offline)
  #9 5/11/09 8:14 PM
Starting this past weekend, We at Lawrenceburg Speedway now allow sprint cars to exit and changed tires under yellow, in the feature only. Thanks, Dave Rudisell
kylecumminsfan (Offline)
  #10 5/11/09 8:17 PM
Originally Posted by Dave Rudisell:
Starting this past weekend, We at Lawrenceburg Speedway now allow sprint cars to exit and changed tires under yellow, in the feature only. Thanks, Dave Rudisell
hopefully more tracks will follow on this rule.. way to go dave!!
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