NASCAR Points

Sandy Lowe · 11/17/08, 8:02 PM

I guess NASCAR didn't want Jimmy Johnson to be a 3-time champion. It looks like they have done away with the Chase for the Cup and have reverted back to the old point system. See the 2008 OFFICIAL DRIVER STANDINGS

Congratulations Carl Edwards on your championship :wink

1- Carl Edwards - 5,236 points
2- Jimmy Johnson - 5,220 points
3- Kyle Busch - 4,984 points

Mark Sr · 11/18/08, 6:21 AM

they should go back to it.. the truck's was great... the Nationwide car's great.. the sprint cup SUCK's....

Ovalmeister · 11/18/08, 7:04 AM

I've never been a fan of the "chase". If you're the best, most consistent team throughout the season, why shouldn't you get the trophy? And it isn't like you only lose 1 or 2 spots. Look at Dale Jr, he finished 12th in the "chase", yet in reality he finished 7th overall for the season. That's gotta be a few bucks difference between 7 and 12. I'm surprised his rabid fans aren't screaming bloody murder to get rid of the "chase". Not to mention, as Sandy pointed out, Edwards getting the golden screw award.
David.

From Jayski:

Final UNOFFICAL Classic Driver Points Standings [after Homestead race 36 of 36]:
1) #99-Carl Edwards 5236 [9 wins]
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 5220 -16 [7 wins]
3) #18-Kyle Busch 4984 -252 [8 wins]
4) #16-Greg Biffle 4747 -489 [2 wins]
5) #31-Jeff Burton 4709 -527 [2 wins]
6) #29-Kevin Harvick 4691 -545
7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4605 -631 [1 win]
8) #24-Jeff Gordon 4537 - 699
9) #20-Tony Stewart 4487 -749 [1 win]
10) #07-Clint Bowyer 4487 - 749 [1 win]
11) #11-Denny Hamlin 4439 -797 [1 win]
12) #17-Matt Kenseth 4316 -920
13) #6-David Ragan 4299 -937
14) #9-Kasey Kahne 4085 -1151 [2 wins]
(11-16-2008)

See the full classic points rundown [usually posted Monday's] at nascar.com

UNOFFICIAL Final Chase Driver Points Standings [after Homestead race 36 of 36]:
1) #48-Jimmie Johnson 6684 [7 wins]
2) #99-Carl Edwards 6615 -69 [9 wins]
3) #16-Greg Biffle 6467 -217 [2 wins]
4) #29-Kevin Harvick 6408 -276
5) #07-Clint Bowyer 6381 -303 [1 win]
6) #31-Jeff Burton 6335 -349 [2 wins]
7) #24-Jeff Gordon 6316 -368
8) #11-Denny Hamlin 6214 -470 [1 win]
9) #20-Tony Stewart 6202 -482 [1 win]
10) #18-Kyle Busch 6186 -488 [8 wins]
Top-10 go to NYC and the Banquet
11) #17-Matt Kenseth 6184 -500
12) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 6127 -557 [1 win]
(11-16-2008)

Wallsracing · 11/18/08, 8:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sandy lowe

i guess nascar didn't want jimmy johnson to be a 3-time champion. It looks like they have done away with the chase for the cup and have reverted back to the old point system. See the 2008 official driver standings

congratulations carl edwards on your championship :wink

1- carl edwards - 5,236 points
2- jimmy johnson - 5,220 points
3- kyle busch - 4,984 points

its bad when a guy had a 250 point lead then the chase comes in affect and basically has nothing....not a fan of the chase nor kyle busch but still...come on

Andrew S. Quinn · 11/18/08, 2:35 PM

NASCAR might think the Chase makes it more interesting, but I think the last real time there was any big interest in the points chase was when Alan Kulwicki won it.

Wonder how Alan would have ended up under todays rules??

Has it really been 15 years since he was killed?? Time flies.

LEADERS EDGE · 11/18/08, 3:05 PM

I too think that the point champ should be the team that had the most consistant season. They don't see it that way and it is their ball. So if it's going to be different, then really change it.

Personally, I think if they are going to use the chase format, they need to also change the amount of points paid out in the last 10 races.

Say the first 5 races pay double points to win and the last 5 pay triple points to win. Same with laps lead, pole and most laps lead.

My feeling is if you are going to blow it up, then really change it.

Larryoracing · 11/18/08, 3:24 PM

"Wonder how Alan would have ended up under todays rules??"

I think Alan would of loved it. I also think he would shined if they go to a "no testing" scenario.

He did a lot with nothing and I think that was the original intent of Nascar.

Even if they went to no testing. Alan would analyse the data, mabe rent
a "7 Post" for a few hours, borrowed a little wind testing data, sat down and did
his homework and raced his way to "Victory" if that is what the good Lord wanted.

As it was the Good 'Lord' wanted him "HOME" up in the clouds and he can only
look down and Prey for Us ALL!...lol!

Larry "O" Racing and thanks for the Post.:moon:

Charles Nungester · 11/18/08, 3:29 PM

I think the chase has killed Nascar. I rarely watch anymore. Expecially since Gordon got screwed out of a championship by the system.

If they wanna setup a four race deal after the season or something. I could see that but race 2/3rds of a season then eliminate all the hard work done to that point is just BULL to me. Shorten the season five races. End it in mid oct and then have a series of four or five races in different formats. Hell make one of em go clockwise and see who the overall DASH for CASH winner is.

Nationwide and The trucks both proved that championships won the hard way (Full season) are better.

Chuck, its more than just the chase thats wrong, The cars, the tracks, Elminiating a darlington race? SHEESH.

Larryoracing · 11/18/08, 3:36 PM

Nope Chuck,

You got it all wrong. You got to get the Ratings UP. You got to make
it a Gun Slinger type of Shoot out.

You get into the "Chase" and each week you eliminate one racer.

In the last race you just have two guys and they go at it. Best Man/Winner
takes it all.

Now that a "man's" race that every woman would die to see the outcome.

Think Racing. Think "mud wrestling". Think action and anticipation. Think
of the Glory. Now, that would get the ratings up and every week anybody
and everybody would tune in to see "Who is the Last man Standing"!:doh::Steer

Larry "O"

11/18/08, 3:51 PM

If they're trying to make a true "playoff" format, then why don't they:

Ditch the points system altogether for the 12 guys who make the Chase cut.

Then, shorten the Chase to 11 races (or raise the number of guys to 13) and eliminate the lowest-finishing guy after each race. That would be a true playoff, and would surely increase interest and excitement. And if you want to add a twist, you can say that if a Chase guy won the race the week before, he's immune from elimination the next week (barring the final week.) You're always going to have the championship go down to the last race (unlike this year and years prior, when it's all pretty much been decided.) It's built-in, guaranteed drama each and every year.

Had this been implemented this year (assuming the Chase was expanded to 11 races so the math works), Jimmie Johnson would have been eliminated after his 15th-place finish in the Texas race. Carl Edwards would have won the title over Kevin Harvick -- who finished a semi-close second to Edwards in the season finale, by the way. Tell me that wouldn't have been better TV than what we had instead. And, that proves this system can determine a fair champion, since Ovalmeister's post showed that Edwards was the real overall points winner, anyway.

11/18/08, 3:24 PM	#7 Re: NASCAR Points
Larryoracing Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 380	"Wonder how Alan would have ended up under todays rules??" I think Alan would of loved it. I also think he would shined if they go to a "no testing" scenario. He did a lot with nothing and I think that was the original intent of Nascar. Even if they went to no testing. Alan would analyse the data, mabe rent a "7 Post" for a few hours, borrowed a little wind testing data, sat down and did his homework and raced his way to "Victory" if that is what the good Lord wanted. As it was the Good 'Lord' wanted him "HOME" up in the clouds and he can only look down and Prey for Us ALL!...lol! Larry "O" Racing and thanks for the Post.:moon: _________________________________________________ Last edited by Larryoracing; 11/18/08 at 3:30 PM.

11/18/08, 3:29 PM	#8 Re: NASCAR Points
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22,012	I think the chase has killed Nascar. I rarely watch anymore. Expecially since Gordon got screwed out of a championship by the system. If they wanna setup a four race deal after the season or something. I could see that but race 2/3rds of a season then eliminate all the hard work done to that point is just BULL to me. Shorten the season five races. End it in mid oct and then have a series of four or five races in different formats. Hell make one of em go clockwise and see who the overall DASH for CASH winner is. Nationwide and The trucks both proved that championships won the hard way (Full season) are better. Chuck, its more than just the chase thats wrong, The cars, the tracks, Elminiating a darlington race? SHEESH. __________________ Charles Nungester

11/18/08, 3:36 PM	#9 Re: NASCAR Points
Larryoracing Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 380	Nope Chuck, You got it all wrong. You got to get the Ratings UP. You got to make it a Gun Slinger type of Shoot out. You get into the "Chase" and each week you eliminate one racer. In the last race you just have two guys and they go at it. Best Man/Winner takes it all. Now that a "man's" race that every woman would die to see the outcome. Think Racing. Think "mud wrestling". Think action and anticipation. Think of the Glory. Now, that would get the ratings up and every week anybody and everybody would tune in to see "Who is the Last man Standing"!:doh::Steer Larry "O" _________________________________________________ Last edited by Larryoracing; 11/18/08 at 3:38 PM.

11/17/08, 8:02 PM	#1 NASCAR Points
Sandy Lowe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,712	I guess NASCAR didn't want Jimmy Johnson to be a 3-time champion. It looks like they have done away with the Chase for the Cup and have reverted back to the old point system. See the 2008 OFFICIAL DRIVER STANDINGS Congratulations Carl Edwards on your championship :wink 1- Carl Edwards - 5,236 points 2- Jimmy Johnson - 5,220 points 3- Kyle Busch - 4,984 points

11/18/08, 6:21 AM	#2 Re: NASCAR Points
Mark Sr Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 95	they should go back to it.. the truck's was great... the Nationwide car's great.. the sprint cup SUCK's....

11/18/08, 7:04 AM	#3 Re: NASCAR Points
Ovalmeister Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805	I've never been a fan of the "chase". If you're the best, most consistent team throughout the season, why shouldn't you get the trophy? And it isn't like you only lose 1 or 2 spots. Look at Dale Jr, he finished 12th in the "chase", yet in reality he finished 7th overall for the season. That's gotta be a few bucks difference between 7 and 12. I'm surprised his rabid fans aren't screaming bloody murder to get rid of the "chase". Not to mention, as Sandy pointed out, Edwards getting the golden screw award. David. From Jayski: Final UNOFFICAL Classic Driver Points Standings [after Homestead race 36 of 36]: 1) #99-Carl Edwards 5236 [9 wins] 2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 5220 -16 [7 wins] 3) #18-Kyle Busch 4984 -252 [8 wins] 4) #16-Greg Biffle 4747 -489 [2 wins] 5) #31-Jeff Burton 4709 -527 [2 wins] 6) #29-Kevin Harvick 4691 -545 7) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4605 -631 [1 win] 8) #24-Jeff Gordon 4537 - 699 9) #20-Tony Stewart 4487 -749 [1 win] 10) #07-Clint Bowyer 4487 - 749 [1 win] 11) #11-Denny Hamlin 4439 -797 [1 win] 12) #17-Matt Kenseth 4316 -920 13) #6-David Ragan 4299 -937 14) #9-Kasey Kahne 4085 -1151 [2 wins] (11-16-2008) See the full classic points rundown [usually posted Monday's] at nascar.com UNOFFICIAL Final Chase Driver Points Standings [after Homestead race 36 of 36]: 1) #48-Jimmie Johnson 6684 [7 wins] 2) #99-Carl Edwards 6615 -69 [9 wins] 3) #16-Greg Biffle 6467 -217 [2 wins] 4) #29-Kevin Harvick 6408 -276 5) #07-Clint Bowyer 6381 -303 [1 win] 6) #31-Jeff Burton 6335 -349 [2 wins] 7) #24-Jeff Gordon 6316 -368 8) #11-Denny Hamlin 6214 -470 [1 win] 9) #20-Tony Stewart 6202 -482 [1 win] 10) #18-Kyle Busch 6186 -488 [8 wins] Top-10 go to NYC and the Banquet 11) #17-Matt Kenseth 6184 -500 12) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 6127 -557 [1 win] (11-16-2008)

11/18/08, 2:35 PM	#5 Re: NASCAR Points
Andrew S. Quinn Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 4,245	NASCAR might think the Chase makes it more interesting, but I think the last real time there was any big interest in the points chase was when Alan Kulwicki won it. Wonder how Alan would have ended up under todays rules?? Has it really been 15 years since he was killed?? Time flies.

11/18/08, 3:05 PM	#6 Re: NASCAR Points
LEADERS EDGE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 980	I too think that the point champ should be the team that had the most consistant season. They don't see it that way and it is their ball. So if it's going to be different, then really change it. Personally, I think if they are going to use the chase format, they need to also change the amount of points paid out in the last 10 races. Say the first 5 races pay double points to win and the last 5 pay triple points to win. Same with laps lead, pole and most laps lead. My feeling is if you are going to blow it up, then really change it.

11/18/08, 3:51 PM	#10 Re: NASCAR Points
Fisher79 Posts: n/a	If they're trying to make a true "playoff" format, then why don't they: Ditch the points system altogether for the 12 guys who make the Chase cut. Then, shorten the Chase to 11 races (or raise the number of guys to 13) and eliminate the lowest-finishing guy after each race. That would be a true playoff, and would surely increase interest and excitement. And if you want to add a twist, you can say that if a Chase guy won the race the week before, he's immune from elimination the next week (barring the final week.) You're always going to have the championship go down to the last race (unlike this year and years prior, when it's all pretty much been decided.) It's built-in, guaranteed drama each and every year. Had this been implemented this year (assuming the Chase was expanded to 11 races so the math works), Jimmie Johnson would have been eliminated after his 15th-place finish in the Texas race. Carl Edwards would have won the title over Kevin Harvick -- who finished a semi-close second to Edwards in the season finale, by the way. Tell me that wouldn't have been better TV than what we had instead. And, that proves this system can determine a fair champion, since Ovalmeister's post showed that Edwards was the real overall points winner, anyway.