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nathans1012 (Online)
  #1 5/30/24 8:13 AM
Fan interaction with drivers & teams….. Thoughts on this?



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B99 (Offline)
  #2 5/30/24 10:27 AM
Great point. I can go back a very long time and point you to drivers that worked hard to promote themselves and the sport. Ted Horn, Rex Mays, Tony Bettenhausen, Gary B., Tom Bigelow, Jan Opperman and the list goes on. Those generations knew that it was the paying customer that paid the bills and felt like it was part of the job to interact with them.

It used to be fans were welcomed to the pit area to get autographs, etc. after the races. But today, don't go down there as you might get run over by one of the rolling garages trying to get out of town. I saw a bunch of fans disappointed at a USAC race some years ago when their merry band loaded up after an event and got out, many before any fans could even get to the pit area.

Now, I get why some might be reluctant to interact or sign, with the number of idiots carrying 20 items for them to sign so they can sell them on ebay. I see that all too often.

Part of Rico's popularity is his ability and wilingness to interact. Same with a guy like Dave Darland. Others would do well to follow their examples.
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Midget98 (Offline)
  #3 5/30/24 10:50 AM
The NHRA has this over every other major motorsports brand. The accessibility to watch close up and interact with the crew and drivers is what makes an NHRA event unlike anything else. John Force set the standard for interacting with the fans. Luckily, many other drivers have followed his lead. I know that the pit area at a drag race is different than the pit area at a sprint car race, but there's no reason some of it couldn't be incorporated into the fan experience.
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racefan20 (Offline)
  #4 5/30/24 1:26 PM
Richard Petty set the standard for interacting with fans

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Chief Wahoo (Offline)
  #5 5/30/24 1:54 PM
Been several years since I've been to an ARCA race, but I can remember at Salem they had a mandatory meet and greet for the drivers before the race. The drivers would go to the front stretch with hero cards and fans could get autographs or just talk for a bit. Think the time limit was like 30-45 minutes. Really cool to see the kids getting autographs from the likes of C. Bell, C. Briscoe, Frank and Will Kimmel etc......

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revjimk (Online)
  #6 5/30/24 2:02 PM
I think its great for drivers to interact with fans, but its not a necessity, IMHO
They just drove mucho miles to get there, may have worked on their cars, & risked their lives for our entertainment
If they need a break, OK with me....
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John P Huss (Offline)
  #7 5/30/24 2:57 PM
B99- Well Said!
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John
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sp6967 (Offline)
  #8 5/30/24 5:12 PM
I really don't think to many drivers have fans since people don't have a chance to interact act with them. the so called fan is more like a eager audience.
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DirtTrackTherapy16J (Offline)
  #9 5/31/24 12:08 AM
Great thread here started by Nathans in my opinion. Yes I realize the screenshot is a different person. There's many ways to look at this but here goes my thoughts.

I don't feel drivers have to make time for fans and/or autographs. Most pro athletes dont. They didnt sign any paperwork saying they would. Is it awesome and even a good idea in my opinion to sign autographs and have things such as meet and greets, yes absolutely. Do i wish they would do it more often, absolutely. Thats a big deal to kids and even some of us adults. I think it all starts with the person/driver. Each has his or her own personality wether it comes to racing or not. Some people just aren't super socialable people. Some are. Some will even hang out and party with you. The next thing I believe is it depends on the series. USAC Midgets? USAC Sprints? USAC SC? High Limit? WoO? Then add in what's their schedule like, previous races or the next race? Where did they travel from, where are they about to travel to? Are they tired and exhausted? Are they in a hurry to get back home or the shop or the next track? Are they staying at that track for a multiple day show? Are they on a bad luck streak? Are they on a great run and streak? Did they have a bad night? Did they have a good night? Did you catch them at a bad time or good time?

I haven't seen a WoO show for 3 or 4 years. High Limit was just at Kokomo not too long ago. Kyle Larson did a meet and greet and it was even advertised on one of our local radio stations. I think some are personable and some aren't. USAC drivers however in my opinion is a completely different story. I cannot remember back to the 80s and 90s as a kid, but any time since 2017 I have not had 1 single problem with any driver signing anything. Brady Bacon in my opinion may be the best at this. Always at his Merch trailer at some point. Even has announcements made about it. Kyle Cummins is great about it. Robert Ballou is great about it. CJ Leary is great about it. Justin Grant, Chase Stockon, Mitchell Moles, KT, TMez, Logan Seavey, Jake Swanson, Matt Westfall, Matt Goodnight...so many of them are so good about autographs and saying hello and talking for a few minutes. Alot of the young kids in Midgets feel honored if you ask for their autograph.

I even had 4 interactions a couple years ago that I thought was real awesome that I will never forget. 1st I was out at the Merch trailers at Circle City Sprint Week 2022. Chase Stockon's boys said hey golf cart rides for $5 and I said okay I'll do it if mom says it's okay and they was like yes mom we got a rider let's go, so we took a cruise all over the property and I gave them $5. After the race Chase comes up to me in the pits and says hey man your the golf cart guy and I laughed and said yeah man I enjoyed that and had a fun ride with your kids and wife and he says man thats awesome but here's your $5 back and I said h*ll no man give that to the boys, that was the deal lol. We both laughed and he said man I appreciate that, thats real kool. Then next was Justin Grant...gave me his Hoosier neckband at Circle City and signed it Happy 40th Bday Josh, Justin Grant. Anogher night, had both Brady and Robert's respective shirts they made about each other during their feud. Had both guys sign both shirts. Robert said h*ll yeah Josh, I'll sign them, that's history and memorabilia. Brady at first kinda gave me a look and I explained out of respect those shirts are a piece of history and he looked at me and said yeah man I get it, I'll sign them, I just wasn't sure at first if you was trying to p*ss me off or not. Had a night a Smackdown, Jake Swanson accidentally kept my sharpie and kept signing autographs after he signed mine and I just walked on as I had more sharpies in my pocket. Next night Jake sees me in the pits and literally stops what he is doing on the race car and comes over to me and sticks out his hand for a handshake and says hey man I'm sorry I stole your sharpie last night, after the race come back and I'll give you a sharpie...I laughed and said Jake I hope it runs dry from you signing so many autographs with it, especially for kids and he said man that's really kool, some people would get sh*tty about their sharpie and I said nah man I'm not like that and he said yeah I see that, after the race we will have a beer together out in the campground. Multiple times I have held Charlie while CJ has signed autographs and anyone that knows CJ knows he loves Charlie dearly, yet trust fans to hold him/pet him.

You become fan favorites and people's champs by being kool, nice, signing autographs, meet and greets, etc. As mentioned above, DoubleD and Rico are 2 of the best at it. Unfortunately though no matter how anyone feels including me, at the end of the day they don't have to sign anything, do meet and greets, hang out, or anything else.
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hoscalecody (Offline)
  #10 5/31/24 5:07 AM
So i'm probably going to have people completely against my take, which is fine. We all have our opinions.

#1. During race times Start of hot laps until end of A's. In my opinion no fans should be in the pits. At least for bigger series/races. Mind you I was a nobody low budget racer. Been a racer as a support class with bigger classes. I also even got to race against the all stars a few times, including a sprint week show driving for somebody. I used to love going and racing them shows and used to wish we got to go as a support class, especially Ohio Sprint Speedweek. After one or 2 shows, I didn't even go if we was the support class. Even turned down a 410 ride for a couple different speedweek shows. Strictly, because of the fans. I can't tell you how many times I've had to lock it down, just to not run over people, that don't look at all. That's not even mentioning crowds blocking part of the pits, due to surrounding a more well known driver.
I was helping crew for a friend of mine, several years ago. Due to his rig size, We was told where to park during a Ohio Speedweek show. I can't remember who we was parked next to. It was either Rico, Larson or Kahne. All 3 of them were there, Stewart and Jac Haudenchild was also there. Stewart was parked decent bit away so it wasn't him. Can't tell you how much of a pain it was to work on our own car, due to the crowd pushing into our pit. That night we almost missed our heat, because people wouldn't move out of the way, then when our driver came back into the pits, we pretty much had to almost push people out of the way, just to get our car directly in our pit, behind the trailer. That's not even mentioning one of our guys was under the car changing gears and one of the fans from the bigger team stumbled or got pushed into our car.

#2. 2020 was an interesting time, I got to talk to a lot of more well known guys. A majority of the ones I talked to said they were kind of happy there was little to no fans there. They said it hurts t-shirt sales, but they don't have to deal with people. They get to go race, enjoy it, then go home.

#3. In 2020, I also talked to one track owner and 1 promoter. Both tracks were in different parts of the country. (Don't want to name names, so they don't get bad publicity.) 1 was allowed a smaller crowd, other was allowed no crowd, only racers/crew and track staff. Both of them said overall, it was cheaper to run that year. Both tracks hired food truck for the night. So they didn't have to buy food and pay people to run the concessions. (I used to be a delivery driver and delivered to a track or two. Even for local nights, I seen the bill, expensive is an understatement.) They didn't need a lot of food, due to not as many people. Plus numerous other things. Back gate paid a lot of the bills. Now granted they both said they couldn't do that over multiple years without losing a lot of money, but could do it for a while, easily a year.

Like others mentioned before, no one is signing a paper that says they have to deal with the fans. More power to the ones that do though. I'd bet easily 95% of the racers are racing, because they love racing and that's it. When I got into racing, I didn't get into it to entertain people or anything, I got into it, because I loved racing. Was around it at a young age. Almost killed me a couple years ago, I'm medically retired from it and have quite a few life long health problems caused by it. If I could still get in a car I 100% would and wouldn't bother me if no one is in the stands and there's no streaming service. Also just because they're a bigger name and have big crews doesn't mean they don't work or help on the car either. Some of them are up just as long as the teams are. Sure there are some drivers that go to their motorhome or hotel until the next day. Although I was surprised to see how many "bigger known" guys help at the car wash or help do maintenance the next day.

I 100% don't agree when "fans" say without us you racers couldn't race or anything. Due to stuff mentioned above. Drivers are paid on either Salary or % of each race. Team owner usually has some other investments or business making money to fund the team and you have sponsors.

Push comes to shove, worst thing to happen. Say High limit or WoO maybe even USAC said no more fans allowed period at the track. In my opinion I think the series and teams could still go almost normally. As long as you had streaming service. Sponsors would still get mentioned and people would still be watching. Although some vans may go away, due to it's not the same watching in real life as streaming. Drivers may lose a little bit of money on apparel, but as long as they marketed themselves properly and had a decent online store I don't think they'd lose to much. Reason I say that is look at Indy or Nascar. Although their numbers are a lot higher on viewers and everything, so is the money. I'd say it's a safe bet a majority of the people that watch it, rarely go to a race in person. They still have a favorite driver and buy a ton of apparel, but don't go to the race. I used to watch nascar every weekend for years. Minus truck races at Eldora, I only went to the '07 All-Star race. Although that wouldn't work on more local nights.

Personally last several years, it's rare that I went to a race that I wasn't racing at. Unless I was helping crew for friends or it was local. I just watched it on Flo or DirtVision.
Although now, I've been pushing my self farther and farther away from racing. Nothing against racing, but after following it all my life and being a driver for a big part of my life and no longer can do that. It kills me inside to watch races and I can't go in person anymore.

Corky
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