[SUPERDUKE]

:checkered: WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A 410CI. $ 40.000 TO $60.000 ENGINE IN A SPRINT CAR???? THE BEST RACING IN 50 YEARS WAS USAC SPRINTS WITH 305 CI. ENGINES!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST ASK AJ PARNELLI MARIO THE UNSERS BETTENHAUSEN DICKSON PANCHO BEALE KUNZMAN PARSONS (ECT) AND THE NON-USAC CARS INDIANA CARS RAN A 327 4 BOLT MAIN PINK ROD ENGINE THEY ALL GOT AT THERE CHEVY DEALER FOR ABOUT $400 AND THEY PUT THERE CAM - INJECTORS AND FRONT DRIVE ON AND RACED ALL YEAR! I KNOW I WAS THERE!:checkered:

[1BIGracefan]

Duke people run the 410 because thats what USAC mandates in the rulebook. When or if USAC ever changes the 410 rule then away goes the 410. Thats just a guess on my part of course.

[Wallsracing]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE :checkered: WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A 410CI. $ 40.000 TO $60.000 ENGINE IN A SPRINT CAR???? THE BEST RACING IN 50 YEARS WAS USAC SPRINTS WITH 305 CI. ENGINES!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST ASK AJ PARNELLI MARIO THE UNSERS BETTENHAUSEN DICKSON PANCHO BEALE KUNZMAN PARSONS (ECT) AND THE NON-USAC CARS INDIANA CARS RAN A 327 4 BOLT MAIN PINK ROD ENGINE THEY ALL GOT AT THERE CHEVY DEALER FOR ABOUT $400 AND THEY PUT THERE CAM - INJECTORS AND FRONT DRIVE ON AND RACED ALL YEAR! I KNOW I WAS THERE!:checkered:

sounds like my bomber motor :O::action-smiley-049:

[zeroracer]

the reason people run a 410, is because that is the max allowed cui, i hate to break it to you guys that live in the glory days but the cars they ran back then wouldnt stand a chance with a 10 lap head start in the 25 lap feature most nights, technology has advanced to the point that even non wing cars are hooked up enough we car use all we can get

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by 1BIGracefan Duke people run the 410 because thats what USAC mandates in the rulebook. When or if USAC ever changes the 410 rule then away goes the 410. Thats just a guess on my part of course.

OK WHY DO THE CHAMP CARS RUN A 355 CI. WHY NOT THE MAGIC 410?:checkered:

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by zeroracer the reason people run a 410, is because that is the max allowed cui, i hate to break it to you guys that live in the glory days but the cars they ran back then wouldnt stand a chance with a 10 lap head start in the 25 lap feature most nights, technology has advanced to the point that even non wing cars are hooked up enough we car use all we can get

YOUR RIGHT THATS WHY THE CARS OF TODAY RUN LAPS LAST YEAR AT THE 4 CROWN IN 19 SEC! WE RUN SUN AFTERNOON SHOWS AT ELDORA 1N THE 60S WITH 305 IN 17 SEC.!! AND TOM BGELOW RUN 15 SEC LAPS AT WINCHESTER WITH A 305! THE GLORY DAYS! DID YOU SEE THEM?:moon:

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by zeroracer the reason people run a 410, is because that is the max allowed cui, i hate to break it to you guys that live in the glory days but the cars they ran back then wouldnt stand a chance with a 10 lap head start in the 25 lap feature most nights, technology has advanced to the point that even non wing cars are hooked up enough we car use all we can get

sounds like a spec engine?

[DonRacer]

Originally Posted by zeroracer the reason people run a 410, is because that is the max allowed cui, i hate to break it to you guys that live in the glory days but the cars they ran back then wouldnt stand a chance with a 10 lap head start in the 25 lap feature most nights, technology has advanced to the point that even non wing cars are hooked up enough we car use all we can get

“But, believe it or not in 1980 we had a thousand horsepower from a 560 inch big block”
=Ron Shaver

[zeroracer]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE YOUR RIGHT THATS WHY THE CARS OF TODAY RUN LAPS LAST YEAR AT THE 4 CROWN IN 19 SEC! WE RUN SUN AFTERNOON SHOWS AT ELDORA 1N THE 60S WITH 305 IN 17 SEC.!! AND TOM BGELOW RUN 15 SEC LAPS AT WINCHESTER WITH A 305! THE GLORY DAYS! DID YOU SEE THEM?:moon:

this is qualifying times from what i believe was the last usac race at eldora....

1. Tracy Hines, 21, Stewart-15.712; 2. Jerry Coons Jr., 69, Dynamics-15.774; 3. Damion Gardner, 71, Leffler-15.808; 4. Dustin Morgan, 11D, Walker/Guiducci-15.831; 5. Brady Short, 2B, 2B Racing-15.833; 6. Levi Jones, 20, Stewart-15.911; 7. Brady Bacon, 99, Kahne-15.918; 8. Robert Ballou, 81, MPHG-15.936; 9. Jon Stanbrough, 53, Fox-15.947; 10. Ricky Stenhouse, 11, Walker/Guiducci-15.994; 11. Daron Clayton, 92, Clayton-16.027; 12. Hunter Scheurenberg, 10T, R & B-16.045; 13. Chris Windom, 17, Windom-16.081; 14. Shane Cottle, 10E, Edison-16.198; 15. Kevin Sindell, 79, Kahne-16.240; 16. Darren Hagen, 67, Kunz-16.294; 17. Jesse Hockett, 75, VKCC-16.367; 18. Dave Darland, 44, Pace-16.439; 19. Mat Neely, 17N, Neely-16.484; 20. Bill Rose, 6, Rose-16.487; 21. Mike Brecht, 97x, Seeling-16.550; 22. Shane Hollingsworth, 10, R & B-16.565; 23. Ron Dennis, 32, Dennis-16.609; 24. John Heydenriech, 57B, Burkey-16.696; 25. Jimmy Light, 23, Light-16.747; 26. Bret Mellenberndt, 97, Mellenberndt-16.802; 27. Danny Williams Jr., 6m, Melchi-16.914; 28. Mike Miller, 320, Kessel-17.126; 29. Don Droud Jr., 2, Reid-17.746; 30. Donnie Ray Crawford, 67k, Kunz-17.786; 31. Cody White, 26, White-17.890; 32. Aron McFadden, 23m, MAC Motorsports-18.542


I dont see a 19 second lap here and i dont see where 17 is really that fast either...

And these are the top 10 qual times from the last winchester race...

Marc Jessup, Kunz 67k, 14.281; 2. Darren Hagen, Kunz 67, 14.383; 3. Brian Tyler, Contos 4, 14.554; 4. Mike Murgoitio, Walker/Guiducci 11, 14.660; 5. Dave Steele, Dynamics 69, 14.678; 6. Dave Darland, Pace 44, 14.804; 7. Tracy Hines, Stewart 21, 14.808; 8. Eric Gordon, Bowman 51, 14.853; 9. Levi Jones, Stewart 20, 14.902; 10. Chris Windom, Windom 17, 14.952

um so tom bigelow would have been pretty good today.... but my point is still proven

[dustbowl]

Not to nitpick too much but those were from last season. Times though are basically the same. Times at Winchester have pretty much been the same for the last 6 seasons or so despite the advanced engine technology. And at Eldora lap times always depend on the track conditions. Track record in 1998 was a 15.321 now its 14.7 something and that was set 2 years ago. I would venture to say that its going to be quite a while before we see a 14.7 at Eldora again, that was all luck due to all the rain. The last USAC race fast time at Eldora was Levi Jones with like a 15.5 and third was in the 15.6 range and thats about all I can remember.