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2/1/23, 1:37 AM   #41
Re: Is the system broken?
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How bout this (I know current teams have a wheel inventory, but they could buy new halves, which are reasonable...); how about tires (& wheels) that aren't as wide??? For both SC&Ms...

How would it not be cheaper to make tires that didn't take as much rubber to make???

I had more fun racing on the 8inch wide Illini midget series right rear than anything...
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2/1/23, 5:32 PM   #42
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So I must say, when I posted this thread as a point of debate I never thought it would inspire what might be described as vitriol. I titled it as a question. When I interpreted someone I respect whoís in a position to know how costís of things affects regional racers as concerned, I threw it out there to see what everyone else might think. I said it was a fanís perspective and even said I was not saying Iím right, just my observation. But as they say these days, haterís gonna hate. Iím going to leave it here though, in the words of Dan Webster
Monopoly - Complete control over the entire supply of goods or a service in a certain market
Sound familiar?
 
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2/2/23, 10:46 AM   #43
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Dead horse or not, It's a message board and he's following the rules. He likes to talk about racing and about the things involved in racing. Tracks, Tires, Motors, drivers, etc.

I don't know the whole reason, I'm probably a part of it. But half the people I've met on this board don't post anymore. The other half are dead. I can only think the first part is due to the ever devolving of respect.


We don't have to agree on anything. But the rules say respect it. Correct it if it's wrong. I used to learn quite a bit from people like Shuman correcting me as to what the facts were behind something.
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In a perfect world a single manufacturer could work as a benevolent dictatorship. Instead we have what we have. Come on March Racing!
 
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2/2/23, 12:49 PM   #45
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Last year, American Racer came out and said they don't have the tires to sell. So, that doesn't get anyone closer to getting tires. Trust me, when owning a team, it is easier to have one group do the tires so you don't have to have a large amount of wheels. It is definitely cheaper in the end.
 
2/2/23, 3:11 PM   #46
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Last year, American Racer came out and said they don't have the tires to sell. So, that doesn't get anyone closer to getting tires. Trust me, when owning a team, it is easier to have one group do the tires so you don't have to have a large amount of wheels. It is definitely cheaper in the end.
And that is as they say, THAT! By a owner and one long enough in the sport to know.
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2/2/23, 8:58 PM   #47
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I remember one night at Ascot when Jim Oskie showed up. And he was holding a $19.95
JC Penny Drag Slick. He mounted it. Then started the grooving iron. And hand groved the tire. The whole pits were laughing at Jim.
Well guess who won.

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2/2/23, 9:39 PM   #48
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In the old days (that everyone is so fond of misremembering), a tire war was a BAD thing because it meant more tire failures and accidents. One brand would decide they were going to jump into a series that was running a single brand of tires and introduce a softer compound or change their sidewall stiffness, anything that would bring them short term success. Everyone would flock to those tires, so the original tire manufacturer would change their design and eventually, somebody would go too far and the drivers and teams would pay the price in crashes. One spec tire meant the manufacturer who was AWARDED the contract would know they could invest the engineering necessary to build purpose built tire for the series. They could afford to provide technical support, analyze failures and make adjustments that would keep the tires technology from being the differentiator. NASCAR did it (does it). Indy Car did it (does it). It makes sense for them.





But until then...
When did this all happen ???? I remember when you could run Goodyears, McCreary or Hoosier and I sure donít remember all these crashes you are talking about.
 
2/2/23, 9:42 PM   #49
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I never thought that I would see the day that a right rear cost 365.00 and a left rear cost 410.00. Iíd say this will definitely affect car counts this year.
 
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2/3/23, 2:10 AM   #50
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I think a lot of organizations do, but everyone should certainly have a rule that you have to run one or the other or both in multiple races on a night...
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