[coondog]

Thank you for proving my point Don. Your disclaimer says you dont know the entire rule, but you still title your post, New Unfriendly Fan Rule. Why not title it, Need Enlightened On New Rule. Or, Whats Your Opinion On New Rule? You cant bash something and then back out because you put a disclaimer on it. I know you say you are done with this, but why not tell us your opinion now that you have heard the rule, understand the point of the rule and what it could lead to in the future. This wasnt a personal attack on you Don, but I am tired of post after post about something that people dont know the facts.

SpfldMile. Please read my earlier post about why this rule was started. I think my PA swing is a good example. If I am a promoter and I have the big dogs, as you call them, show up when Im paying say $1500 to win, why would I have USAC? Now if Im a promoter and I see a track down the street that has all the big dogs, the place is packed, thats gonna make me want to have a USAC race.

[twincitiespr]

I was trying to reframe from posting to this topic but SANDY LOWE made a comment in a previous post directed towards us, ( Twin Cities Raceway Park). Her words are in bold type below:

"Why should USAC give bonus money to a midget driver that will run a POWRi midget race the same night as a USAC midget race? Why should USAC give bonus money to a sprint driver that will run an open competition sprint race at Vernon the same night as a USAC sprint race at Eldora?

If a promoter wants a USAC show they should pay for a USAC show. Not just benefit because the USAC drivers are in the neighborhood the day before. This should help drivers in the long run by USAC being able to secure larger purses for its competitors."

First of all Mason and I run Sprint shows for Sprint Drivers and Sprints Fans. Secondly, Jason McCord of USAC told Mason last year he probably could get Vernon ( Twin Cities Raceway Park ) back on the schedule of Sprint Week. With numerous attempts, Mason was unsuccessful for getting back on the schedule. Mason has not wronged USAC in anyway. WE WANT TO HAVE A USAC event during Sprint Week. soooooo USAC, Here it is.....one last attempt.....Would you like to Sanction our Sprint Race on Tuesday July 13th? If not, the race will go on as scheduled.

Mason and I felt that everyone deserved to know THE TRUTH about not being a USAC sanctioned event during Sprint Week.

Don't forget...THE 2nd Annual "NO WAY OUT 40" paying $4000 to win is this Saturday April 3rd at TWIN CITIES RACEWAY PARK!

Mason & Tawnya Fleetwood
Twin Cities Raceway Park

[SpfldMile]

Jerry, I was thinking of a race in Jacksonville, IL a couple of years ago. It was on a Friday and it paid 6 grand to win. I don't remember if USAC ran the next night or not to be honest. Anyway, most of the USAC regulars were there. It was a great show, the place was jammed, and Dave Darland won. To me that was good for Dave, and it was good for a lot of local race fans. Some of them might have even wanted to go see some other USAC shows after they saw the type of talent that shows up. No, USAC didn't race there after that, but I don't know whose fault that was. You make good points, as do a lot of other people on here. I can see both sides. I just see it as unnecessary. After all, it's just a message board, what's wrong with a civil debate? Good luck this year Jerry!

[AERO410SCJA]

Originally Posted by coondog Thank you for proving my point Don. Your disclaimer says you dont know the entire rule, but you still title your post, New Unfriendly Fan Rule. Why not title it, Need Enlightened On New Rule. Or, Whats Your Opinion On New Rule? You cant bash something and then back out because you put a disclaimer on it. I know you say you are done with this, but why not tell us your opinion now that you have heard the rule, understand the point of the rule and what it could lead to in the future. This wasnt a personal attack on you Don, but I am tired of post after post about something that people dont know the facts. SpfldMile. Please read my earlier post about why this rule was started. I think my PA swing is a good example. If I am a promoter and I have the big dogs, as you call them, show up when Im paying say $1500 to win, why would I have USAC? Now if Im a promoter and I see a track down the street that has all the big dogs, the place is packed, thats gonna make me want to have a USAC race.

Jerry I hope this rule and the extra points money works out for all drivers and owners in the future.But to use the PA SWING as an example when they can't get 5 USAC dates in a row after 4 years. NO TRACK IN CENTRAL PA will have an un-sanction SPRINT CAR RACE.


WINGED 410 SPRINTS in Central PA pay at least 3 grand to win regular shows.

[cshuman]

For those still curious, this is the only info on the USAC site.... no dollar amounts..


Annual Point Fund

Owners Fund =50%

Top 10- Sprint Car Championship
Top 10- Midget Championship
Top 10- Silver Crown Championship
Top 3- Sprint Grip 2k10 Championship (pavement only)
Top 3- Sprint Dirt Drift 2k10 Championship (dirt only)
Top 3- Midget Grip 2k10 Championship (pavement only)
Top 3- Midget Dirt Drift 2k10 Championship (dirt only)
Top 3- Eastern swing Sprint Week
Top 3- Indiana Sprint Week

Drivers Fund =50%

Top 10- National Drivers Championship 2k10
Top 3- Sprint Car Championship
Top 3- Midget Championship
Top 3 Silver Crown Championship

[Topless77]

If USAC would take the extra point money and pay modern day purses instead of 1970's purses this rule would be a mute point. They would get all the name drivers at all their races because most guys would not need to race every possible local show to make a living. If these guys could make real money most would love to not have to race 100 plus shows a year to barely get by. This stupid rule is just their way of trying to grasp on to what little they have left.
Pay real purses and their stars wouldn't stray

[Hubie]

Uh, Uh, Uh, I guess I really don't know, Uh, Uh, UH

Thanks for posting Jerry

[K-Dawg30]

At first glance I had a problem with this rule... Now after looking at it I can see why USAC has implemented it. If the drivers want the bonus money they should be at the USAC shows.

However, I also think that the whole 24 hours before and after a race is pure BS.....why does it matter if a driver races a USAC race on Saturday lets say and then their is a POWRi or local show on Friday and Sunday nearby? Why shouldn't they be able to run the other 2 days and try to make more money.

All in all the rule makes since....but the whole 24 hour either way does not make since....unless I am looking at it wrong

[Sandy Lowe]

twincitiespr,

The 2nd sentence that you quoted from my post was not directed at you (or your track) but tracks in general.

I don't have a problem with drivers and owners making their own decisions on where to race. I also do not have a problem with fans making their own decisions about which tracks to attend. Your track upped the purse on Saturday to make your show more enticing to race teams. USAC came up with the National Championship point fund to make their races more tempting to their drivers/teams. IMHO your race on Saturday night will not be affected at all by this new point fund. That is why I did not think it was a problem using "Vernon" in my post.

I don't know anything about your dealings with USAC. My comments were about the new USAC point fund.

Sandy

---------- Post added at 11:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:36 AM ----------

Casey,

I just found this a few minutes ago on USAC's site with some dollar amounts ($116,000 total):

National Drivers Championship 2K10
Leader Board

- Standings Points Payout
1- Jerry Coons Jr......326 pts...$40,000
2- Tracy Hines.........324 pts...$20,000
3- Bryan Clauson......296 pts...$15,000
4- Levi Jones...........236 pts...$12,500
5- Damion Gardner....234 pts...$10,000
6- Dave Darland.......232 pts.....$7,500
7- Henry Clarke........220 pts.....$5,000
8- Bobby East..........219 pts.....$3,000
9- Brad Sweet..........204 pts.....$2,000
10-Robert Ballou.......150 pts.....$1,000

http://www.usacracing.com/ndc

[Kirk Spridgeon]

Originally Posted by Topless77 If USAC would take the extra point money and pay modern day purses instead of 1970's purses this rule would be a mute point. They would get all the name drivers at all their races because most guys would not need to race every possible local show to make a living. If these guys could make real money most would love to not have to race 100 plus shows a year to barely get by. This stupid rule is just their way of trying to grasp on to what little they have left. Pay real purses and their stars wouldn't stray

This is a sentiment I have heard from a few. Let's think about this, though. There's $116,000 in this fund - break that down among an 80-race schedule, and the addition to each race wouldn't even be noticeable.

The idea of this is to add value to the USAC program. By having this fund, it gives drivers an extra reason to support the shows. This is just the starting point...they're launching it with a six-figure point fund, but it has room to grow from here. The idea would be to show that these races are strongly supported and can make tracks money, and then purses will go up from there. Putting the money into the purses now (btw, the tracks pay the purses, not USAC) would have no long-term effects. Guys would feel no allegiance to that - as well as I know the racers, they would race for a little more money in those shows and go right back to racing for peanuts the next night.

Remember, this fund and rule is not stopping anyone from racing anywhere they want to - if someone does not want to race for the NDC money, they are not forced to. There are just a few simple rules to follow for those who want to race for the big money. Hopefully things can go up from here and the numbers will only get bigger in years to come...