[badgerfan]

I see USAC is coming to the Prairie four times in 2009.

[Sprinter56]

how bout we just put all the midgets in the new season of lost and watch them never come back then they could all truly live in their own little dream world instead of criss crossing the us for a grand prize of two thousand dollars. why don't we ***** about something funnier like point two five intense parent brawls over a plastic trophy.....

[Kirk Spridgeon]

Originally Posted by Sprint63122 You are a real piece of work here little boy did the midget champion just a couple of years ago win it because he was the only one to show at all of the races what a joke a national champion that is you have a lot to learn because you are freaking clueless.With the nine cars out of the picture now and kahne down to one car and who knows howmany cares stewart will run and kunz down to one it looks like the same thing can happen again in 2009.

I just live in reality. I don't know what you're trying to say about a champion a couple years ago (?), but this year's midget champion won by a single point in a great race at the season finale! Former National Midget Driver of the Year, Brad Kuhn, missed just one race and finished ninth in points, so things must have been pretty competitive. In fact, POWRi superman Brad Loyet and the youngest USAC Sprint Car winner ever, Chad Boat, both finished outside the top-ten in points while running full seasons. It must have been a weak bunch this year.

Yes, things will be lean next year. I don't know if you've noticed, but your racing of choice is much better off than most - I'm hearing that there may only be 35 full-time NASCAR Cup teams. And the Nationwide Series had dang near ten start-and-park teams this year, so that'll likely be a dozen next year, at least. Oh yeah, the Hooters Pro Cup Series is probably not even going to race next season, and the ARCA Series is going to be one of the least-competitive series you've ever seen (just one year after they had one of their most competitive!).

Oh yeah, the World of Outlaws stock is nearly worthless, and they lost their title sponsor.

Ya know, with all the people without jobs in the U.S., it would be nice if USAC would get their act together and give those people the opportunity to start midget teams to make a living. :O:

[6157]

God I love this thread.

[Pat O'Connor Fan]

Originally Posted by Ovalmeister The state of Connecticut had 8 midget races last year. That's double the amount of Indiana.

David, you are obviously intelligent and articulate, but I think your math is flawed. If you are talking "last year" for your Indiana number, Don Kenyon's regional series alone had more than Connecticut. If you are using Don Moore's count for USAC for 2009, you had better read the schedule yourself. Right now it stands at 10 National events in Indiana plus one listed as Special Event. That 2009 schedule is not for regional events. They could add significantly to the numbers.

[DonMoore10]

I stand by my count of four (4) USAC National short track DIRT midget races in Indiana in four (4) days. So the Indiana short dirt track USAC midget season is 4 days long. :confused:

[ChaseTheRace!]

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 I stand by my count of four (4) USAC National short track DIRT midget races in Indiana in four (4) days. So the Indiana short dirt track USAC midget season is 4 days long. :confused:

You need to compare apples to apples here. The USAC midget series is a NATIONAL series, its not an Indiana series, its designed and built to host races NATIONALLY. If USAC was an Indiana series and only had four, yes, we could see your point that four races in Indiana is lame. If you want to run DIRT races locally, go run Powri or Badger, or even a sprint car where you can race three nights a week, all within two hours of each other. If you want to run a national series, go run USAC, it's as simple as that. Race what you prefer. You guys are arguing about two totally different ideas here.

[LRP36]

What do you all expect? This is another one of Don Moore's rants on how the racing world should revolve around him and that USAC or any other club for that matter should contact him before scheduling any races. Hey Don, if you don't like the USAC schedule then go play elsewhere. Like chasetherace stated it is a "NATIONAL" schedule and not an "INDIANA" only schedule! We all know that the cost of racing is ridiculous. If you really want to do something about it why don't you start your own series and sign your own races with rules that will make you happy!

[Ovalmeister]

Originally Posted by Pat O'Connor Fan David, you are obviously intelligent and articulate, but I think your math is flawed. If you are talking "last year" for your Indiana number, Don Kenyon's regional series alone had more than Connecticut. If you are using Don Moore's count for USAC for 2009, you had better read the schedule yourself. Right now it stands at 10 National events in Indiana plus one listed as Special Event. That 2009 schedule is not for regional events. They could add significantly to the numbers.

Sorry Steve, I was just going by Don's dirt midget number. I know there are buttloads of kenyon, regional, focus, etc... just wish there were more dirt midgets. I wish the X2RA had taken off. I'd be a loyal follower of full midgets at Gas City, then L-burg, then Kokomo, etc... every weekend. There are just sooooo many dirt tracks in Indiana that could host at least 1 or 2 midget races a year. Without the big USAC purse to pay. Nothing against USAC, they are national and need to have a sanction fee.
A club, like what X2RA was planning to do, would help USAC so much by helping develope talent and interest in midgets without the big engine/travel costs. Then a guy could get comfy and confident in a midget (economically and locally) then step up to USAC. TQ midgets are a good deal. Maybe some of those guys would buy a midget if there were a regional dirt club.
I hosted an X2RA midget race at Montpelier a few years back and it was cool. Shane Cottle won the twin features, the racing was good, the stands were packed and the fans told me they loved it and wanted to see them again. The car count was low but I believe it may have been the first race for that club. Don Moore came all the way from Cleveland and several other guys travelled. I had big hopes for that club. I think it's just a bummer that so many midgets are sitting in garages with nothing to do. :thumbsdown:
David.

[Kirk Spridgeon]

Originally Posted by Ovalmeister Sorry Steve, I was just going by Don's dirt midget number. I know there are buttloads of kenyon, regional, focus, etc... just wish there were more dirt midgets. I wish the X2RA had taken off. I'd be a loyal follower of full midgets at Gas City, then L-burg, then Kokomo, etc... every weekend. There are just sooooo many dirt tracks in Indiana that could host at least 1 or 2 midget races a year. Without the big USAC purse to pay. Nothing against USAC, they are national and need to have a sanction fee. A club, like what X2RA was planning to do, would help USAC so much by helping develope talent and interest in midgets without the big engine/travel costs. Then a guy could get comfy and confident in a midget (economically and locally) then step up to USAC. TQ midgets are a good deal. Maybe some of those guys would buy a midget if there were a regional dirt club. I hosted an X2RA midget race at Montpelier a few years back and it was cool. Shane Cottle won the twin features, the racing was good, the stands were packed and the fans told me they loved it and wanted to see them again. The car count was low but I believe it may have been the first race for that club. Don Moore came all the way from Cleveland and several other guys travelled. I had big hopes for that club. I think it's just a bummer that so many midgets are sitting in garages with nothing to do. :thumbsdown: David.

And there we have it. The great idea of running dirt midgets in Indiana went over quite well when that Montpelier race happened, huh?

Quite honestly, why would Gas City or Kokomo or Bloomington or wherever stop doing what's working for them and voluntarily lose money by running midget shows? I love Midget Week, but the crowds that week are NOTHING compared to Sprintweek. Hopefully, with a fairly low supply of good, high-quality races, the demand will go up in the near future. Remember that Midget Week struggled mightily for a few years before gaining the momentum it now has.

Midgets are second-string in Indiana, so we have to take what we can get. Sprint cars are king, and that is something that is not going to change anytime soon!

Here it is: Unless there is an emergence of a new sanctioning body, you should not expect more races!! It's that simple. I think the level of competition and the schedule of dirt midget races (in the Midwest as a whole) have improved for a few years now, but I never heard any complaining before now....?