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Revolution Racing (Offline)
  #71 8/9/12 2:50 PM
..... and meanwhile, Midget racing as a whole continues to turn laps around the toilet bowl. How many more times can we circle the drain before we go down for good?

I don't give a damn about any other kind of racing except Midgets. I don't even consider myself a 'race fan', I'm just interested in Midget racing, and I have been since my Ascot days back in the '70's. Here's the deal;

1. Midgets are now officially a vintage racing division. Joe Fontana is a great man and I grew up idolizing him - his shop was right down the street from my dads. But Dammit, a side-breather pushrod motor from the '40's is a vintage motor no matter how much Ti or 2024 you stuff into it. When your cutting edge, state-of-the-art engine is a Pinto, you are officially a vintage division. Vintage divisions don't race for big money. They are typically dominated by a few teams with deep pockets and an agenda of one sort or another. These teams have huge egos and a lot invested, and they aggressively protect the rules that keep their particular design in front. Sound familiar?

2. Midget racing is the best short track oval racing on the planet. and back in the old days, it was what you did if you wanted to race at the local short track. These days there are more choices than you can count when it comes to this type of racing. None of them are as exciting as midget racing but ALL of them are far more affordable. These competing groups have embraced technologies and/or alternatives that have enabled them to out compete Midgets for track time. This is not an opinion, it is a FACT. Go to your local track this saturday for proof - no Midgets will be running but there will be 4 or 5 other divisions of 'track lice' out there stinking up the place. WE LET THIS HAPPEN. By refusing to evolve, by refusing to remain competitive in an increasingly competitive market we, as midget folks, LET THIS HAPPEN.

3. There are alternatives out there, right now, today, that could serve to begin infusing new blood into the sport by offering a product that could be respectably competitive on-tractk vs. the vintage engines while at the same time offering greatly reduced cost of operation. These kinds of alternatives have been introduced in other forms of racing that have faced similar challenges. Without exception, the divisions who chose to not go the vintage route were successful in implementing these new choices, and those divisions who either chose vintage, or (as in the case of Midget racing today) refused to recognize that what they were becoming was in fact a vintage division, have continued to decline.

This is the point in the rant where I used to make an impassioned plea for those concerned to please take a look at state-of-the-art alternatives that have proven to be more cost effective and could appeal to the young new drivers out there looking to move up. These days, my 'Give-a-crap meter' is pegged at about 0.5. I don't depend on racing to make a living anymore, and let me tell you that feels really, REALLY good. I still love it, I'd still like to contribute what I can, but I'm done beating my noggin up against you idiots.

Good luck,

Keith
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John P Huss (Offline)
  #72 8/9/12 3:38 PM
Brad- I have contacted the Fair Board with some Ideas.
Best Regards,
John
DonMoore10 (Offline)
  #73 8/9/12 7:42 PM
Keith,

Very well said!!
LEADERS EDGE (Offline)
  #74 8/9/12 9:43 PM
Ya know Keith...Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are idiots. It just means that they don't want to buy what you are selling.
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polecar (Offline)
  #75 8/9/12 10:42 PM
Originally Posted by :
Should the purse structure be changed? Higher pay to start and lower pay to win? It seemed to work for the Gundakers last year at the Gold Crown race.
wow. no bashing on that? thanks. i used to get bashed all over town on that. like lets pay $2000.00 for last place then everyone can race for last. the fans would love to see that. and so on. the thing is people who raced in the early 90's have moved on. maybe it was money, maybe to much time working on the car. society has changed. more things for families to do. yes families. families do alot more together now a days. back in the 60's, 70's and 80's dad would take off and go to the races. mom would stay home with the kids. not anymore. for me the cars are getting to fast. that why i think the older drivers like the mini sprints, legend cars and classes like them more. yes they're less money that helps, but slower and hopfully safer helps to. i feel the problem is more than just money. money is the big part for me, but it's more than that.
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Revolution Racing (Offline)
  #76 8/9/12 11:56 PM
Did that sound like a sales pitch? I'm not trying to sell anybody anything. But I reserve the right to assert that the forces controlling Midget racing today, are significantly IQ challenged.

But, if you believe they are geniuses then I guess you are OK with the situation. Good for you.
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jdull99 (Offline)
  #77 8/10/12 1:55 AM
Sounds to me like there would be a number of more care attending events if things were brought "back to the early 90s". I'd be involved with/around at least three I can think of off the top of my head...who didn't like the racing back before 300+ HP engines???
KMS2683 (Offline)
  #78 8/10/12 2:01 AM
Why do you guys (the Don Moores) not complain about these idiots that put more money into their minisprints and similair level race cars than alot of midget drivers have invested in their cars. We run minisprints and midgets and I see ALOT of minisprint teams with cars, haulers, etc that have far more money invested than we do in our "exotic" motored midget. There are guys with $10,000+ minisprint engines on a $12,000 to $16,000 chassis. So $25,000 minisprints with engines that are rebuilt rfrequently are good for the sport?

To many of you feel that you are ENTITLED to be able to race and the racing community should cater to your budget. If you can't or don't want to afford midget racing, then move to another class and leave the rest of us alone who still want to show up to race and move the sport forward.
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jdull99 (Offline)
  #79 8/10/12 3:56 AM
Originally Posted by KMS2683:
Why do you guys (the Don Moores) not complain about these idiots that put more money into their minisprints and similair level race cars than alot of midget drivers have invested in their cars. We run minisprints and midgets and I see ALOT of minisprint teams with cars, haulers, etc that have far more money invested than we do in our "exotic" motored midget. There are guys with $10,000+ minisprint engines on a $12,000 to $16,000 chassis. So $25,000 minisprints with engines that are rebuilt rfrequently are good for the sport?

To many of you feel that you are ENTITLED to be able to race and the racing community should cater to your budget. If you can't or don't want to afford midget racing, then move to another class and leave the rest of us alone who still want to show up to race and move the sport forward.

Enjoy your 11 car midget fields...(outside of within view of the arch).

---------- Post added at 2:56 AM ---------- Previous post was at 2:55 AM ----------

Brad Doty talkn bout hard narrow tires for sprintcar racn...maybe Im not an idiot???

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DonMoore10 (Offline)
  #80 8/10/12 9:43 AM
Originally Posted by KMS2683:
leave the rest of us alone who still want to show up to race and move the sport forward.
Who's bothering you? You didn't even sign your name. Did someone force you to read this? Don't read it, real simple.

BTW, you got your wish at Belleville, KS, LaSalle, IL, weekly racing at Sun Prairie, Buckeye Nationals, ARCA midgets, NAMARS, Michigan outlaw and the list goes on and on.......
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