True...I can't begin to tell you how many times I have fallen asleep leaning up against a tree, sometimes even in the snow and rain.

that will be me at 5 am this coming morning

I can see slide 22 has it all figured out. People that have Henchcrafts can spend more money. I bought my engine off e-bay for $1,400. and that included the shipping.I bought 3 new RR and 3 new LR tires this year. You can buy my engine for the $1,400. and a extra $200 for the cut down wiring harness. That way I can get another engine off e-bay that hasn't been abused in a race car. Just one other thing. The people that have the money to build a motor with a stroker crank can defenitly afford a Henchcraft. Engine built with a stroker crank will never survive a 20 race season. So once you have built your second stroker engine you could have been looking at a brand new Henchcraft roller sitting in your garage. Oh if you want the engine my # is 607-287-6701.

Hi Ian. The Hench car really isn't considered a raised rail car. Both lower frame rails are the same height. We also don't spring them softer. Next time you see a hench car push down on the LR and you will see what I am talking about.

Thanks Don

Most of the people on here are just trying to push your buttons Don, because they have nothing else better to do.

We had a FOZ, Bailey, and the Hench quoted before we made the decision to go with the Hench. They are all within a few hundred dollars of each other, when you go with the same quality for the bolt on parts. Also the Hench was not the highest in price. Some people just need to do their homework before making fasle statements.

I know a stroker or built engine won't last a season.. I've probably been doing this as long as you and especially this year, everyone who has built an engine hasn't made it through the season with it. Putting $10,000 in a mini-sprint engine is ridiculous when we race for $500 to win. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I think the Henchcraft is a great piece, and Rick really knows what he's doing, but honestly, are they that much better than the other cars out there? I really have a hard time believing that. I just feel like dropping almost 16 grand on a mini-sprint roller isn't worth it. I'm not having problems competing like some of the other people complaining on here, I just don't think they are a whole heck of alot better than other cars out there.

Other than Don, which Henchcraft is winning all the races? From what I have seen this season there has been a pretty good mix of chassis running up front. It's not like a single chassis has dominated the AMSA or any particular track for that matter.

And I agree regarding engine costs.....but let's face it, racing is about $$$$. There is always going to be someone willing to spend a lot to win a little. Heck, I saw it in QMs where kids were racing for trophies. There were still parents willing to spend $5 to $8K on a DECO motor when a B&S World Formula costs $1500.

ok lets get off this crap with who has the better chassis,alcy conversions,deer hunting golf,fishing this was about amsa rules i have been around allkinds of racing my whole life i have alcohol funnycar in my garage do you know why i have not raced it in 7 years because it got to damn expensive to race,thats what we need to stop now with the minisprints,when i started this you could buy a f2 honda and compete at 35.lets face it there are monster motors in some of these cars and i will give you there are better drivers also but how does having 1200 or 1205 strokers keep the cost down for everyone to afford to race,if it stays the way it is the only people racing these cars will be the guys with lots of money to throw away,why is it a big deal to have stock 1000 [COLOR="Red"]yes stock[COLOR="Black"] and a tire rule will not cost any more money it will save us all money unhook these cars with a hard tire that will last a few races,if you think you can switch elec. fuel injection to alky for 785.00 is crazy you must run a map system which is $300-400 also is it better i dont think it is it will run colder,but why do you want to spend that king of money to race for 500.00.
thats also something that is going to need to change next year(jerry work on a sponser to make it happen)i am sure there is money out there to help.
1000 are not faster then a 1200 stroker you are crazy to think so!!!!!
to keep this cheap racing alive there needs to be change
stock 1000 engines
hard rt rear tire
940 lbs and not 939 at the scales(close enough)
alky conversion i think is crazy to do to keep it cost effective
let us run a fuel map (even a stk 1000 out of a bike with a ss header will be lean)
or put a claim rule in for $2000 for the engine (i will bring 6k to the first race for 3 motors dirt drag guys will buy them up)
bottom line
keep the mini sprints alive or the people who race them can't do it
people will always find away to bend rules (see nascar) but the rules can always be changed to fix the problem

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better idea!!!!
the last race is sat
how about a ballot vote jerry can make a ballot with
1000cc stk or 1200cc circle what you want
weight 900 or 930 or 940 or 950
hard rt rear tire or no tire rule
start there
and by the end of saturday night we can all stay and count the votes
the majority rules!!
then we will all know over the winter what we can do for next year

(just saying what needs to be said) kinda funny dont ya think

Hey suzuki756....I am with you man. We should be doing whatever can be done to keep the cost of racing down and keep all the teams on an equal playing field. Otherwise we're going to see car counts fall, especially if the economy stays in the shape it is in.

More importantly, if you are going to implement rules you need to tech for them. For all the crap I have taken from some people regarding traction control / fuel injection / etc, I have not seen one post supporting teching the top 3 cars after a feature race. Heck, I am not talking about tearing the motor down.....just looking under the hood.

I agree something needs to be done as far as engines. Do I know exactly what? not really. I'm not sure completely stock for next year is the right move, as there are alot of old 1200/1100's out there. Maybe phase them out, with all stock in 2011? A hard tire will go a LONG way as far as curing the problems. As far as weight, anything under 950 is too low IMO. Minimum weight needs to be atleast 950, if not more. I know my car, is 970, Stewart's is just as heavy, and another car that has won this year is over 1000 lbs. Cars are just being made heavier now. (good thing IMO.)

You simply can't ban methanol conversions. It is unsafe. I'd understand if we were racing late models or emods with hidden fuel lines, but face it, these are open wheel race cars. We have fuel lines that are VERY exposed and can be torn pretty easily. I've flipped before and had fuel leaking on me while sitting upside down. $800 is a very worthy investment for safety. For less than $2k you can have a competitive engine converted to methanol and ready to race.

Some facts about gas vs. methanol for those who think gasoline is just as "safe."

-Methanol will not ignite below 54 degrees, Gasoline can ignite below freezing
-Methanol vapor is less dense than gasoline. Meaning vapor from leaking fuel disperses better than gasoline; with gas you have a dense vapor base at the bottom of the car. With the methanol vapor more spread out, it radiates less heat. Also, methanol does not form vapor as rapidly as gasoline.
-Methanol flame can be put out with water
-Methanol burns 25% faster than gasoline, and emits 1/8 of the heat of gasoline

All information available from the US EPA & BPA.
But hey, why bring facts into a discussion when you can randomly spew out information?

I have no issues with meth and we will probably convert to it next season for the reasons you stated above.

The best thing to do with the bigger motors is to 'grandfather' whoever has one. They all have serial numbers....make the ones legal that are currently running and move to a spec 1000 for anything new.

Make traction control systems / fuel injection systems illegal....that can be easily teched.

I have no problem with the 950 pound rule. We are at 930, so it would be no big deal to throw a 25 pound weight in the car.

Keep it cheap and simple.