[aXe]

one more thing when someone with the bucks gets ahold of this when it actually happens whats to stop them from running up the costs tricking it out more? Story of racing nowadays those that have pour their whole efforts $$$$$ into out spending the next guy:icon_smile_blackeye
aXe

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by TQ29m I agree, it could be an "ointment" for an aching checkbook, but it comes with some negatives. Most folks really don't like "spec" anything, give them some basic guidelines, let them do their own work, or at least whoever they want to do it, KISS, and it could fly. One thing about it, if you're gonna run dirt, in Indiana, you already know, it's not going to be a hosspower race, it's gonna be who can manage the throttle the best,and set-up, extra hoss's helps get you outa trouble sometimes, but it can also be a disadvantage at times. I think folks mostly like to be able to choose what they run, tires included, and if they make the wrong choices, it's their decision, not mandated like most of nicecar is, how far would a gear ratio mandate for any track fly? Money is not always gonna win, but the lack of it, can sure put a crimp in where you finish. Bob

I'm thinkin, that up to this point, this was merely speculation, as to if this engine would indeed be a viable option, now it's turned into"it's gonna happen tomorrow". Read this quote, there are a lot of questions in it, first, no one has posted any real info on it, other than the cost,and compression ratio. I think it's pretty much a given, that the accessories that make it loud, cost a lot of money also, so is it in reality, anything more than a 370 cu in, aluminum Chevy engine? Like I said, above, if it is intended to be a "spec" engine, in a new "class", I think not, and besides, looks like car counts are good, considering, looks normal to me, them that's got, get's, and the rest do it, just because they want to, there are a lot of worse ways to make a "small fortune", and look at all the people you get to entertain, and meet along the way. I doubt there will be much interest in it, especially if it's a "spec" engine, and even if it weren't, still doesn't look to me like a less expensive option. I don't think anyone wants to enter into anything like the "spec" divisions that have popped up over the past several years. Bob

[Jerry Spencer]

Originally Posted by kstudley57 I guess my argument is that I do have a higher dollar engine and after 20 races, we have it rebuilt. The Last rebuild was $3500 from a reputable builder who rebuilds many of the motors you see on the track. Doing the math, that works out to be $175 a night to run. That is very cheap. For a guy like myself, why punish me for wanting and affording to have a newer engine that i know will be more than competitive and most importantly reliable. I have no desire to purchase a spec motor, even if it's only 10 grand, because i've got one that i can run anywhere in the country with. Spec engines don't work to save money, you will get a few short term follows but people wont stay forever. If you dont see my point all you have to do is call any ford focus midget owner and ask them if they would do a spec deal again. I know we wont....very expensive and too tough to control. Racing isnt fair, the idea isnt to manipulate prices so that all the kids in school can play, the idea is that the fastest car wins each night. Turns out, when you put the title "winner" on anything people will spend whatever money it takes to get the job done. Leaving the whole thing Open rules is what made local racing so deep and strong, why in the world would you wanna take that away.

Very well said.

Jerry #66j
www.joshspencer.com

[old timer]

Sounds good don't have a chance ,because promoters won't do it they can't take the chance to put up the purse for the months that it would take the racers to see it is here to stay. It is easy to cut the cost one compression rule,equiptment is not too high check once put sealfrom block to head on both sides. Also as I said in the 70's to the Speedway crowd one wire internale mags. But none of this is going to happen because we all will still be fighting it next year. In closing look for the new TOYOTA alum 410 at your favorite track next year!

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by TQ29m I'm thinkin, that up to this point, this was merely speculation, as to if this engine would indeed be a viable option, now it's turned into"it's gonna happen tomorrow". Read this quote, there are a lot of questions in it, first, no one has posted any real info on it, other than the cost,and compression ratio. I think it's pretty much a given, that the accessories that make it loud, cost a lot of money also, so is it in reality, anything more than a 370 cu in, aluminum Chevy engine? Like I said, above, if it is intended to be a "spec" engine, in a new "class", I think not, and besides, looks like car counts are good, considering, looks normal to me, them that's got, get's, and the rest do it, just because they want to, there are a lot of worse ways to make a "small fortune", and look at all the people you get to entertain, and meet along the way. I doubt there will be much interest in it, especially if it's a "spec" engine, and even if it weren't, still doesn't look to me like a less expensive option. I don't think anyone wants to enter into anything like the "spec" divisions that have popped up over the past several years. Bob

IT WILL BE COMPLETE AND CHEVY WILL DO ALL THE REBUILDS! SEALED ENGINE NO TRICK STUFF! YOU JUST PUT IN AND RUN IT! LEASE $ 5600 A YEAR!:applaud:

[Rex W.]

If Chevy is gonna freshen em...sounds like ya better have 2 or 3 of em in case they can't turn em around real quick.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Rex W. If Chevy is gonna freshen em...sounds like ya better have 2 or 3 of em in case they can't turn em around real quick.

LOOK YOU LEASE THE ENGINE AND THERE WILL BE REPLACEMENT ENGINES AT ALL THE RACES! NOW WHATS THE PROBLEM IN SAVING A LOT OF MONEY? I'AM NOT SELLING THESE ENGINE BUT I'AM IN FAVOR OF SAVING MONEY!!!!! :checkered:

[Motormasher]

What they are trying to do Superduke, is try to get an Organization like USAC or MSCS to mandate this engine therefore the guys on the local scene will buy the engines too. But, like the mandatory DT-suck3 the cost after everybody HAS TO BUY IT will go up to what ever they want to charge for them like the tire is now.

Its a great idea but seems to me like it would hurt a lot of engine builders who rely on all the sprint car business. Not to mention the chain reation to engine parts people.

The best series I have ever seen was in Wilmot WI where everybody had to run a 1 3/4" header, spec RR tire (although I hate) and weight rule. There is just no way to cheat on a header rule.

[Z-man]

If USAC mandated a spec engine and MSCS didn't where do you think everyone would run? I haven't seen an engine rule for MSCS so what would stop someone from running a larger displacement or an overhead cam engine with MSCS? Or has this already been done?

[Motormasher]

Well since USUC has about 8 teams that follow them on their tour and MSCS gets about 40 cars everywhere they go and pay more than USUC I would say that MSCS is where the motor would go over the best.