World Of Outlaws Non Wing 2022

Midget98 · 12/15/21, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by deadhorse30

I don't understand how adding them to the WoO championship helps anyone? This conversation is very interesting. I love sprint car racing, all types, but the non-wing crowd doesn't seem to like anything. You have the most successful race touring group/promotion in the country getting into your sport and people seem upset. Honestly USAC hasn't done anything to improve their status in decades, just status quo. It's still a regional series based out of Indiana. In both situations with WoO coming into non-wing racing and non-wing drivers leaving for tin tops the track promoters need to be looked at. Indiana tracks don't seem to want and step up for big time races. Whenever the wings go into Indiana it's almost always someone leasing the track for a show. The promoters don't seem to want to have big time races.

I never said that it helps anyone. My point was that if the WRG/WoO wanted to take over non wing sprint car racing, they could very easily do it and all it would take to get started would be to make some non wing shows a part of their championship points. Combine that with their superior marketing and USAC would soon be a distant second as a sanctioning body. I much prefer to watch a non wing sprint car show, but the level of promotion along with the atmosphere and pageantry/hype that happens at a WoO show is far superior to anything I have ever seen at a non-wing show.

Sandy Lowe · 12/15/21, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhorse30

Indiana tracks don't seem to want and step up for big time races. Whenever the wings go into Indiana it's almost always someone leasing the track for a show. The promoters don't seem to want to have big time races.

Too many Indiana tracks competing for the same piece of pie & too many Indiana promoters willing to schedule AGAINST a big time race. You also have some Indiana fans that would rather go to their local track & watch a $15 show vs. paying $10-15 more for a big time race that they can watch the next day on Flo.

Why would/should a track promoter book an event that they don’t feel confident they can make a profit at (or even break even)?

Charles Nungester · 12/15/21, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhorse30

I don't understand how adding them to the WoO championship helps anyone? This conversation is very interesting. I love sprint car racing, all types, but the non-wing crowd doesn't seem to like anything. You have the most successful race touring group/promotion in the country getting into your sport and people seem upset. Honestly USAC hasn't done anything to improve their status in decades, just status quo. It's still a regional series based out of Indiana. In both situations with WoO coming into non-wing racing and non-wing drivers leaving for tin tops the track promoters need to be looked at. Indiana tracks don't seem to want and step up for big time races. Whenever the wings go into Indiana it's almost always someone leasing the track for a show. The promoters don't seem to want to have big time races.

There's about a seventy to eighty thousand dollar difference. Lot easier to break even or make a profit at 30k expense than 100k plus.

deadhorse30 · 12/15/21, 12:47 PM

I understand there's a difference in cost, but that's my point. The Indiana tracks aren't interested in gambling to improve and just willing to collect their checks. That's what has led you to this situation. Every other area in the country are begging for WoO and ASCoC shows, because they bring fans and big time teams. I find it hard to believe Indiana can't support a higher level of Sprint car racing.

I'm sorry but I don't think adding non-wings to the WoO championship would do anything positive. I would just confuse the customer. WRG has the right idea start out small and see what kind of support you get. They need teams, tracks, and fans to make this work. Not many Sprint car teams will want to run both styles for a championship.

I honestly find this very interesting and hoPe everything works out for the best.

flagboy55 · 12/15/21, 1:17 PM

In my opinion wingless RACING is a superior product to wing. And USAC is the premier group. We all would love for everyone to get rich promoting and competing, but it’s probably not going to work that way. I personally don’t think anything needs to change there. It’s always going to be my first choice to spend my racing budget on. Unfortunately the truth is Wings are way more popular for whatever reason. And I’m not a wing hater. I’m curious to see what the new group does. I seriously doubt they will improve the RACING. Especially when this group will be second fiddle to their existing series

Oleman61x · 12/15/21, 1:26 PM

This might be a plan to get the traditional sprint car drivers/racing the exposure and payouts that would be catching up to wing and late model status. Someone needs to take the plan to the next level so the drivers and car owners don't keep jumping from the ship. WOO can do that. SUPPORT THE DRIVERS GETTING PAID TO MAKE A LIVING RACING! Not just getting by on hobby/30 yr old purses!

deadhorse30 · 12/15/21, 1:58 PM

Good post. USAC is definitely the big dog in this situation, but WRG has proven they can get it done. Competition is good for the sport. As far as the better racing, I'm not gonna get into that. I like both products and see positive and negative with both.

dsc1600 · 12/15/21, 3:29 PM

Stockon and McDougal confirmed to follow the new group.

captrat · 12/15/21, 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deadhorse30

I don't understand how adding them to the WoO championship helps anyone? This conversation is very interesting. I love sprint car racing, all types, but the non-wing crowd doesn't seem to like anything. You have the most successful race touring group/promotion in the country getting into your sport and people seem upset. Honestly USAC hasn't done anything to improve their status in decades, just status quo. It's still a regional series based out of Indiana. In both situations with WoO coming into non-wing racing and non-wing drivers leaving for tin tops the track promoters need to be looked at. Indiana tracks don't seem to want and step up for big time races. Whenever the wings go into Indiana it's almost always someone leasing the track for a show. The promoters don't seem to want to have big time races.

I still like beer, ladies,and civil discourse not laced with accusatory, unsupported broad generalizations. 🤔

BrentTFunk · 12/15/21, 5:33 PM

I give them credit. They get people to commit before they see a schedule.

12/15/21, 12:47 PM	#74
deadhorse30 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 63	I understand there's a difference in cost, but that's my point. The Indiana tracks aren't interested in gambling to improve and just willing to collect their checks. That's what has led you to this situation. Every other area in the country are begging for WoO and ASCoC shows, because they bring fans and big time teams. I find it hard to believe Indiana can't support a higher level of Sprint car racing. I'm sorry but I don't think adding non-wings to the WoO championship would do anything positive. I would just confuse the customer. WRG has the right idea start out small and see what kind of support you get. They need teams, tracks, and fans to make this work. Not many Sprint car teams will want to run both styles for a championship. I honestly find this very interesting and hoPe everything works out for the best. _________________________________________________ Last edited by deadhorse30; 12/15/21 at 12:48 PM.

12/15/21, 1:58 PM	#77
deadhorse30 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 63	Good post. USAC is definitely the big dog in this situation, but WRG has proven they can get it done. Competition is good for the sport. As far as the better racing, I'm not gonna get into that. I like both products and see positive and negative with both.