Well unless you guys are starting a new class of these....

I've never heard of a midget "echotec"

B

If you are young enough maybe we can get you out of that chair. I love mine but given the chance to go racing or sit in this chair and bang at these Keys I'll take racing every time. We race with the midgets at Montpelier (in fact I participated in their first organizational meeting). We manage to out race quite a few of the full Midgets with our sub midget race car.

As a sim racer the chance of you getting into a full Midget or 410 Sprint is slim to none. The prospect of getting a sub Midget car is very promising. I have seen good race ready race cars sell for less than $5000.00. Not cheap but this number is achievable. Unfortunately wealth is wasted on the old people. No problem we accept older guys living out their dream all the time and welcome them into the Fraternity of Racers. We race because we LOVE it. If you LOVE it lets work on getting you into a sub prime Midget.

Do you learn how to back peddle in sim racing? Can you feel the car getting up against the cushion and driving off of it. Do you ever run into a big old hole or rut?

We do all that stuff and love doing it, you probably could also with just a little effort.

Another thing that would help a lot is if the race track owners would invest in making smaller and wider race tracks. The added action would only increase the crowd size. They will all be standing the entire race so they wouldn't need seats.

Honest Dad himself

Bsmith8,
You must be rather dense....

My "d2", "ecotec". Whatever the hell you want to call it midget has the driveline running between my legs and must be push started by a push truck. no starter, no clutch. as do most "insert name here" midgets.

if your experience comes from SIM racing you have no valid opinion on this matter.

If you're going to slam a class atleast have your facts straight lol.

This is an interesting discussion. It seems the guys who blew huge amounts of money with Esslinger and Stanton are a little on the salty side. How dare you call your car a midget, even though it's the same Spike, Beast, DRC or Bullet that they have. Same wheels, tires, rear end, steering, axles front and rear. But, and this is a big But, you put an Ecotec in there that only cost $10,000 new and will last for years. They went out and spent over $25k + on that reverse head Esslinger so only they can call their race machine a midget! I don't want to hear how the fans will feel ripped off. It seems to me that plenty of fans enjoyed the races up through the 70's when guys were running VW's that were not pumping out 350-400hp. If E. Hahn told everyone that next years Chilibowl was an Ecotec only race and the same 325 guys showed up to race, I would bet the stands would continue to stay filled all week.

Someone told me once that It takes a real man to wheel a sprint car around a dirt track. It's starting to look true as those guys could care less if anyone or thing with 4 open wheels calls themselves a something something Sprint car. I don't see them getting all bent out of shape about a 270cc two stroke being called a sprint car.

Just get over yourselves. And for the chain drive cars, who really gives a #%*€. It's a race car, who cares. I saw someone bring up insurance and the danger of the chain. Please, 100's of tracks run with them with no issues. You would think they are flying into the stands on a weekly basis and maiming women and children.

And no offense to sim racers, but has it really gotten to the point now that sim racers are telling us the subtle differences between a 1000cc car and a powri/usac midget? I knew the day would come when everything we do and experience will be done on our computers, I just thought it would be long after I was gone.

If it's a certain size, its a midget. Stamp it.

apex

I think a famous racer ones said "You can go out and manhandle a Midget around a race track, but if you think you can go out and do the same thing with a Sprint Car you are just beating your meat"

Honest Dad himself

If Bsmith8 is the same Bsmith who drove a number 8.....he's driven a little more than a sim race. I'd guess he has raced more than the combined amount of races by nearly everyone commenting on this thread.

I wonder if there is a message board out there where there are strippers arguing to be regarded as ballerinas?

Aaaand we have a winner hahah. Doubt you could tell the difference between an esslinger and an ecotec on a sim game let alone the difference between a 1000, 1200, or ecotec.

Some of these people act like everyone was just running around the inside berm until the high hp midget engines came along. I'm here to tell you that 600 micros bust the cushion at little Belleville every Powri race with just 150hp. It doesn't take huge $$ hp to have a good race.

Out here in AZ we see 410 usac races, 360 southwest races and even a lower budget class that some run with a carb all running on the 3/8 mile at canyon. Some guys will run all three classes at different times of the year with an engine swap. I still call all of them sprint cars. If you came out and watched them hot lap, you would be hard pressed to tell which class is on the track. It's tough to see 1 second per lap when big ballers are out there running them all deep into the corner WFO!

And if my Aunt had balls, she would be my uncle........

You might want to find out who is posting on this topic before you throw a statement like that out there.

I guess I should have made my user name AFoyt14. That way everyone would back up my opinions.

As should you.