[Dyno Don]

Originally Posted by Pine What you could also do if your tracks don't already do it, is, I know some of you guys' don't like all the support divisions, put a time limit on the support divisions heats and feature's. Heats 10 laps or 10 minutes and feature 15 laps 15 minutes or 20 laps 20 minutes. Or make the time limit what ever you want. If they keep spinning out or crashing and only get 2 laps in, in their heat, its checkered and the next heat comes out. Same for the feature. :checkered:. I know they used to do that in PA. But I'm not sure if they do anymore or not.....

When Gregg Staubb was running The 'Burg he had time limits(he also had an intermission, which kind of offset the time limits).

I remember one night that the E-Mods never got in a complete green flag lap before their time ran out, over and done. I would like to see more of this for support series.

I say they divide the field into two even groups and the groups are set as a field by car number odd numbers in one group even in another. The odds race the odds, the evens race the evens. The winner of the odd race and the winner of the even race each play a game of paper, rock, scissors to find out who gets the pole and who starts outside pole. The top 10 from the odd start and the top ten from the even are transferred into the A main and start behind their winner and line up either on the inside or the outside pole depending on the outcome of the paper rock scissors match.

Support classses are given a one spin and out rule. One spin per race and then the race is flagged and the next gourp comes in.

[FishBurger]

Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon I personally love the USAC format. I thought the Sprintweek heats were every bit as good or better than the Midget Week heats simply because you had less guys running away from the front row. The inversion in USAC heats is what sets USAC apart from other series. People I know who rarely go to USAC races just rave about those heat races. It is pretty cool to be able to watch guys race that hard ALL night long, and not just in the feature. Like I said, I would lock in 40. Still invert 8 in the heats, so qualifiers 33-40 are in row five of heats. Tack on four more from an LCQ so 44 guys total race in the four heats. No more than four, please....you're just diluting the talent. I would give everyone their time back from the B, but you can't start any better than row five, which is what CRA does. The first four rows would be made up of the top eight qualifiers who transferred through their heats. It's the best format I've seen, by far....

I can save myself some keystrokes by agreeing with everything Spridge said above......and so, I will. OTOH, I could not agree less than I do with those who are advocates of the blind pill draw so that "locals" can luck into making a USAC feature. I've seen too many 'Burg heats where guys transfer only because all the faster combos were grouped in different heat(s) which conversely sometimes resulted in a top car/driver missing the show. I doubt that even Chuck's Dad would like to see Stanbrough loading up early because he drew a 73, started in the back of a loaded heat, and got taken out in the "B". :wink1: I recall heats in '07 where Brandon Petty, Dickie Gaines, or another frontrunner would start heat races in row 1. Some exciting races those were. :sleep:

I would likely favor format tweaking (transponder qualifying, 10 car heats, whatever) that would result in a more orderly show, track preservation, more 50-50 ticket seller trips through Section "A", etc. but not at the expense of compromising the great competition I almost always get at a USAC event.

And just to further alienate even more USAC critics :angry-smiley-007:, I have no problem with provisionals. In USAC, unlike NASCAR, a provisional starter does NOT take the place of another car who would otherwise make the show. They just tag the back of the 22 other feature starters. :checkered:

[Kirk Spridgeon]

Exactly, Fish. You know how I knew that guys like Jimmy Light, Kyle Robbins, and Brett Burdette had turned the corner and really improved? Because of their performances against USAC fields. It's not easy, and it's not supposed to be, but I'm sure those guys would tell you that they were very proud of their continued improvement against the USAC fields.

The only thing wrong with a provisional starter is when they are awarded Indiana Sprintweek points. Provisionals are here, so get used to them....but let's not mess with Sprintweek just because it has a USAC sanction.

Pill draws are one of the most unfair formats you can use at a racetrack.

If you like the TNT format, why don't we run qualifiers for the qualifiers? And then a dash for the qualifiers? And then a dash for the feature qualifiers? And then a qualifier for the semi qualifiers?

We can drag it out until 1 in the morning.

[Sprint63122]

Haubstadt already put a time limit on the modifieds for there heats and semi feature and they always run the modified feature after the sprints now so I am already on my home when this happens, will see it has worked out great since they started doing it this way the modifieds have straightened out there deal now they have only lost a couple races to the time limit.

Has for the sprint racing format the tnt deal is a great way of racing puts on a great show and I also like the usac deal where they invert 8 cars for the heats if you are at a good race track they can race there way to the front.Now has for the speedweek deal there is a lot of cars showing up for these races what about still keeping the top 32 car setup the way it is and let the others start from row 5 on back in a heat for the 4 heats and if one of the cars starting 9 on back make the show then wait till the heats and semi is done and then line the feature by the cars 32 and below getting there time back and lining up that way then they will still start towards the back of the feature and still can race to the front.This way all cars will still have a chance to qualify for the feature but yet they could be still bumped out by having only 24 car limits for the feature by having the qualifying lists to set the feature lineup by could make for some interesting shows this way.