[LEADERS EDGE]

Banning cockpit adjustable shocks isn't really that big of a saving when you are only eliminating a $50 handle/cable. Because you still have an adjustable shock, just not cockpit adjustable. If you get rid of adjustable shocks then instead of having 1 shock per corner(4 total) that costs $500ea($450 without cable), you will now have around 4 shocks per corner(Minimum) at $125-$175ea. Not a huge savings if you ask me; plus why do it like we used to with a truck load of shocks when we can get modern with only 4 plus 2 spare.

Don't even say spec shocks because you are fooling yourself if you think that can be kept in check.

[DonMoore10]

Those are very good points about the shocks. It's just "shocking" for the initial investment. I just had one repaired and it cost $200!!!!

Regarding the Slide posting: "The way it's always been done" song and dance doesn't fly with me, sorry. Leaving the track after putting on a show for a promoter with less money than the maintenance workers is ******* and disgusting.

[slide22]

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 Those are very good points about the shocks. It's just "shocking" for the initial investment. I just had one repaired and it cost $200!!!! Regarding the Slide posting: "The way it's always been done" song and dance doesn't fly with me, sorry. Leaving the track after putting on a show for a promoter with less money than the maintenance workers is ******* and disgusting.

yeah Don I agree, but I would be surprised to meet ANY racer who operates his own car that makes money. I don't care if you're racing go-carts, mini-sprints, midgets, or sprint cars, you're not going to make money.

[DonMoore10]

I'm not talking about making money. I'm talking about leaving the track with some dignity. $30 after paying outrageous pit pass and entry fees is not acceptable. You are missing the point here entirely.

[polecar]

Originally Posted by slide22 Don, you want to leave with more money than the people that work at the track but the fact is, we're racers. We rarely make any money unless we win, and even sometimes when you do you still lose money. That is an ugly fact about racing and that's the way its always been. If we could make a bunch of money don't you think more people would do it?

all a post like this does is make me want to sell my racecar. while hoping the rookies looking to buy a car are not reading this.

[slide22]

Originally Posted by polecar all a post like this does is make me want to sell my racecar. while hoping the rookies looking to buy a car are not reading this.

Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Why not point it out now before someone goes out and spends 10k on a mini sprint or 30k on a sprint car? I don't like it as much as the next guy but its a cruel fact. As long as I still love racing I will continue to do it though.

---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:57 PM ----------

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 I'm not talking about making money. I'm talking about leaving the track with some dignity. $30 after paying outrageous pit pass and entry fees is not acceptable. You are missing the point here entirely.

Yeah I don't like the fact that USAC has an entry fee. Or a membership fee. The pitpass should cover any entry fee's or memberships to race with a "club."

[polecar]

Originally Posted by slide22 Do you want me to sugar coat it for you? Why not point it out now before someone goes out and spends 10k on a mini sprint or 30k on a sprint car? I don't like it as much as the next guy but its a cruel fact. As long as I still love racing I will continue to do it though. ---------- Post added at 05:59 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:57 PM ---------- Yeah I don't like the fact that USAC has an entry fee. Or a membership fee. The pitpass should cover any entry fee's or memberships to race with a "club."

oh boy.

[MRAY3]

Keith,

I know what your intentions are with the Ecotec engine. I just don’t agree with the sealed/spec engine concept. Before you call me a hypocrite :2: I will admit to enjoying my time in the Focus series. I just think the sealed / spec engine concept is the wrong way to address the cost issues haunting midget racing today. I consider midget racing to be a professional form of motorsports, even on a regional level. And I personally don’t care for spec engines or spec chassis in professional motorsports. I promise to disagree with you without hating you.


Mark

[midmad68]

this is my first post on the subject. i've read pretty much all of the posts with an open mind. i too have a few opinions of my own:

1. has anyone considered the posibility of running the same tire on dirt and pavement? a tire could be constructed with tread that lasts a night on pavement, then is still good enough to run on the dirt the next night. also, how about having to run narrower axles. have a taller height rule for pavement cars as well or pretty soon the drivers will be lying on their backs in the cars.

2. i'm all for combo cars and no split dirt/pavement series. i'm not a pavement fan at all all though i know many of you are. i'm from the west coast and i can use the western states series as a great example. 10-12 cars on pavement at madera and stockton, and 20+ at ventura and bakersfield with i believe 27 at hanford for the usac/bcra show. give more of an incentive for running both.

3. the problem that i find in the usac midgets is their scheduling. the western states series ping pongs back and forth every week with a dirt race then a pavement race. we don't have the luxury of having a ton of tracks close enough to eachother to keep the cost of travel low. teams are having to make at least one 6 hour trip a month.

4. midget racing needs to be more localized like sprint car racing. all of these tracks have weekly sprint car shows...why not midgets? eliminate the sanctioning body that spreads the series all of over the place and have the tracks host the weekly shows. more drivers near a track could get into the sport because they wouldn't have to drive the 6 hours to compete.

5. i have no problem with cockpit adjustable shocks. for one, the fans don't know nor could they care less. i don't feel that it's a big enough issue.

6. the officials definately need to do a better job at enforcing the rulebook.

7. i personally love midget racing because of their speed and twitchiness. hypothetically, i would want for the cost of engines to go down without cuttin the size. how do we do this...i really have no idea.

8. no spec engine! the focus series is not midget racing in it's truest form.

9. are engine builders selling for a fortune because they are greedy and can get away with it or do they really cost that much to build (i have not researched this...i really don't know).

10. i really can't understand why so few people get into the TQ's. they are really cheap with a large selection of motors to chose from. they really are a great series, they just don't have the major sponsors to back them.

please don't hate me...this is just what i think

mitchell johnson

[slide22]

Originally Posted by midmad68 10. i really can't understand why so few people get into the TQ's. they are really cheap with a large selection of motors to chose from. they really are a great series, they just don't have the major sponsors to back them. please don't hate me...this is just what i think mitchell johnson

The only problem I see with the tq's is that no one really builds the chassis anymore that I know of. *someone correct me if I'm wrong.* And the engines need some work before they're dropped into the car.

I would love to run mini-sprints non-wing more, but none of the promoters will do it.