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Charles Nungester (Online)
  #61 1/15/08 5:26 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_in_motorsports

Doesn't give all the reasons and anything other than lost lives in motorsports. Id be willing to bet over 50 percent would have survived wearing every safety device available at the time of their incident.
I honestly see it about every other night of sprint racing where a caliper of a car will freeze You have a glowing rotor, They expoled and pads and rotor go flying through the air.

And IMHO which is that and not telling anyone else what to think It does put others at risk and not just KO, If he didn't have fire protection (Suit) why should the safety crew risk their butts to save him when the car catches fire?

Chuck, not for overkill, For whats available to you so I and YOU can have fun seeing them race another day.

Charles Nungester
OpenwheelRob (Offline)
  #62 1/15/08 5:31 PM
Try and convince non-race fans, casual race fans or potential non-racing related sponsors that racing is not just a bunch of ignorant red necks with this type of thing going on.

Had it went the other way, it could have been very ugly. The press would have had a field day, lawsuits, not to mention KO's own safety, I know you people say he is old enough to make his own decisions BUT how about the kid in the front row just a few feet away watching someone possibly get burned alive? Think that would affect anyone other than KO? I do. Nobody wants the image of safety crews pulling out a lifeless body stuck in their head, unfortunatley I've seen it and won't ever forget that image.

Risk vs Reward.....we know what he risked, was the reward worth it? A few cool pics? Some publicity? The feel of driving a car in a T-Shirt? Doesn't seem worth it to me. Hope for the best, Prepare for the worst.
Stagger (Offline)
  #63 1/15/08 6:19 PM
Against my better judgment I have to respond to this post.

WAY COOL K.O. Smart? maybe not. I find it funny that the people complaining about K.O.'s deal probably will vote for Hilliary. What has this world become if you are not responsible for yourself and your actions good or bad. We better get congress in on this so they can decide for people if it was right or wrong. As I see it was only effecting himself and no harm to others.

Chuck... You mentioned if a fire crew should have helped him if he was not wearing protection. IT IS THEIR JOB! right or wrong. Paramedics save crack addicts and other people who make bad choices everyday why? It is their JOB!. When I see car wrecks on the highway or even in front of you, We call them an accident. Sorry that is an over used term. Someone was not paying attention and ran into somebody.That is not an accident it was a case of someone being a Dumb A$$.
Oh but I am sorry it was an accident. I know a Little off topic but come folks. It was K.O;s choice and it effected nobody but him.

We all know we should wear our seat belts while driving right? Many don't and I am guilty of it a lot. We need a law for that? Please. I know it sounds stupid but I pay my car payment I pay my Insurance and as dumb as it sounds I should have the right to put my face through my own windshield if I choose to. or I should I just let the government decide this for me? It is common sense to wear your seat belt if you don't your chance of living through a bad crash is greatly diminished.
But should it be a law? You can not legislate stupidity.
dirtywhiteboy
  #64 1/15/08 6:29 PM
Originally Posted by Stagger:
Against my better judgment I have to respond to this post.

WAY COOL K.O. Smart? maybe not. I find it funny that the people complaining about K.O.'s deal probably will vote for Hilliary. What has this world become if you are not responsible for yourself and your actions good or bad. We better get congress in on this so they can decide for people if it was right or wrong. As I see it was only effecting himself and no harm to others.

Chuck... You mentioned if a fire crew should have helped him if he was not wearing protection. IT IS THEIR JOB! right or wrong. Paramedics save crack addicts and other people who make bad choices everyday why? It is their JOB!. When I see car wrecks on the highway or even in front of you, We call them an accident. Sorry that is an over used term. Someone was not paying attention and ran into somebody.That is not an accident it was a case of someone being a Dumb A$$.
Oh but I am sorry it was an accident. I know a Little off topic but come folks. It was K.O;s choice and it effected nobody but him.

We all know we should wear our seat belts while driving right? Many don't and I am guilty of it a lot. We need a law for that? Please. I know it sounds stupid but I pay my car payment I pay my Insurance and as dumb as it sounds I should have the right to put my face through my own windshield if I choose to. or I should I just let the government decide this for me? It is common sense to wear your seat belt if you don't your chance of living through a bad crash is greatly diminished.
But should it be a law? You can not legislate stupidity.
Stagger, that is the problem. People want to blame their own stupidity on somebody and not take responsibility for your own actions. Why do you thin there are so many warning labels and stupid lawsuits out there. When someone spills coffee on their crotch and holds McDonalds responsible for the consumers stupidity and won the friggin lawsuit we opened ourselves up a huge an of worms that won't be stopped.

Peopel need to take responsibility for their own actions and suffer the consequences for their choices.

Maybe Darwinism isn't all that bad after all?
Stagger (Offline)
  #65 1/15/08 7:30 PM
Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
Stagger, that is the problem. People want to blame their own stupidity on somebody and not take responsibility for your own actions. Why do you thin there are so many warning labels and stupid lawsuits out there. When someone spills coffee on their crotch and holds McDonalds responsible for the consumers stupidity and won the friggin lawsuit we opened ourselves up a huge an of worms that won't be stopped.

Peopel need to take responsibility for their own actions and suffer the consequences for their choices.

Maybe Darwinism isn't all that bad after all?
No Doubt. Just think...... The strong live the week die... Plain and simple. We would have less people on this planet and maybe Gore would finally shut up about global warming....We ourselves are going to screw the world up way before the planet screws us.
Charles Nungester (Online)
  #66 1/15/08 7:40 PM
What in the world does ******** have to do with racing and the safety of it? Bordering on Psychoism here. Rest a sured, The person I vote for will have some common sence which discludes the whole democratic party and half the other one.



Chuck, Thinking the proverbial horse on its last leg but still thinks if the rules allow it, Someone is going to do it.

Charles Nungester
kinser (Offline)
  #67 1/15/08 8:24 PM
Here is some more fuel for the fire ! LOL It is no secret that the "World of Outlaws " is considered the premier sanctioning body in sprint car racing. Correct ? Then why don`t they mandate HANS devices ? Or better yet arm restraints ? That`s right they do not require arm restraints ! Here is my 2 cents on the subject of KO at the bowl: Let the man do as he pleases, this country was founded on individualism and there are too many " follow the leader " types in every walk of life these days. Racing used to be about people who weren`t afraid to be different. Now alot of the drivers are so worried about going to NASCAR they are afraid to do anything that might involve being different. When was the last time that you sat and drank a beer with your favorite driver after the race? or maybe just talked racing for 2 hours after the checkered waved ? how many of the teams have let you or your kid`s climb in their car after the race ?
Duane Hancock (Online)
  #68 1/15/08 8:45 PM
Umm, yeah 1 car in flames at the CB. Look at the 07 car's pic.. looks like more than 1 car did to me but maybe u were too blinded by KO's stupitity.

Openwheel Rob is 100% correct on this issue.

i have seen it happen and actually know of a person that hasnt been to over 15 sprint car races since a night about 10 years ago at Winchester when one of their favorite younger drivers died right in front of them that night. So IT WOULD effect others... They really didnt have any involvement with him either but said it just wasnt the same anymore after that.
LocalYokel (Offline)
  #69 1/15/08 9:10 PM
the 07 was in Ft. Wheezy.

KO's not even that old school. It's not like he wore a t-shirt and an open faced helmet when he started.

If he was a real man he'd have only worn a cromwell and a single lap belt. And that containment seat he's got? ...sissy...

You better take care of me, Lord. If you don't you're gonna have me on your hands.
SpfldMile (Offline)
  #70 1/15/08 9:40 PM
I like KO as a driver, he's always fast and a clean racer. I wouldn't have worn what he did, but if the officials let him race with that on, I accept that. If he was wearing only a pink thong, that is his choice. The kids that saw the drivers in the old days are probably still hooked on racing today. They aren't traumatized. One of the first races in my memory, a guy got burned up in a sprint car race on the mile right in front of the grandstand, bad things happen. Was KO tempting fate? Of course. Just like you and I do everyday by skydiving, rock climbing, playing backyard football, racing, or anything else that someone could consider an unacceptable risk. KO considered it an acceptable risk, so that is it. Let's move on.
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