[Rpracing1]

There are very few posts on this message board anymore where the author or other posters do not get thrown to the wolves. You have to be very careful and particular of what you say anymore. Peoples feeling are easily hurt.

[Geoff Kaiser]

short track scott, what do you think of this?????

[davidm]

As long as it's done the same every week I can't see how it's unfair. Good luck at one place is a low number at another it's a high number.

Be safe, race hard and have fun!

[cecil98]

Originally Posted by sprinter25 Cecil... IMO, the only reward for a low draw when drawing in a linear draw is the the draw number itself. A "reward", as you put it, implies a bonus of some kind for a lucky pill pull. Now that's not right. As long as any track aligns its heat races the same way each week, well, then its fair, in my eyes. If you know what the heat setup will be before you draw, and you show up, pull a number, race, and then comment/complain about the administration of the pill pull, well, like I said in my earlier post, you're just complaining about nothing. What if a track decided to race clockwise, and announced it three weeks in advance? Would racers show up and complain then? Or would they NOT show up? As long as the pill pull treats all racers equally, then there's no reason to complain...except about your bad luck in pulling numbers....

At no time did I say L'Burg's draw wasn't fair. I just stated a personal preference. Again it's all "luck of the draw", whether staggered or linear. As far as a bonus? The only bonus is the lowest # drawn starts on the pole of heat #1, 2nd lowest pole of heat 2 etc. But, it doesn't really matter as long as we're all doing the same thing.

[Big Willy]

Line ups should be made by the following criteria...

The lower your trailer number, the further to the front you start. Open tralilers will be classified by overall lenghth from the center of the ball to the furthest end of the trailer with the lowest number being assigned to the open trailer with the shortest overall length. The enclosed rigs will have numbers assigined based on volume of rectangular prisim formula - LxWxH. The lowest volume enclosed trailer teams will fall in line numerically behind the longest open trailer teams leaving the teams with the largest volume enclosed rigs to be assigned the highest trailer numbers. All ties will be broken by who pulled in the pit gate first. Standard Stanley tape measures shall be used and the race track will decide how precise the measurements will be based on whether the track help can read the little lines or just stick to the big ones with the numbers by them.

[Charles Nungester]

How about lowest budget team always starts on the poll, Now thats fair.

Of course the track should see Reciepts

[Jonr]

Originally Posted by Big Willy Line ups should be made by the following criteria... The lower your trailer number, the further to the front you start. Open tralilers will be classified by overall lenghth from the center of the ball to the furthest end of the trailer with the lowest number being assigned to the open trailer with the shortest overall length. The enclosed rigs will have numbers assigined based on volume of rectangular prisim formula - LxWxH. The lowest volume enclosed trailer teams will fall in line numerically behind the longest open trailer teams leaving the teams with the largest volume enclosed rigs to be assigned the highest trailer numbers. All ties will be broken by who pulled in the pit gate first. Standard Stanley tape measures shall be used and the race track will decide how precise the measurements will be based on whether the track help can read the little lines or just stick to the big ones with the numbers by them.

You have a good idea, but the tie breaker system needs some work. Tie breakers should go to the oldest tow vehicle. Extra points should be given if the front fenders are not the same color as the rest of the vehicle. Extra points should also be given if any of the muffler system drags on the ground. Finally, it the tow rig is a station wagon or a converted yellow dog bus, the partipant is automatically given a provisional for the A-main.

[DonMoore10]

Since we are finally half way back on topic and nobody has been personally "ambused" in the last few posts, I'm wondering how many tracks actually post the method that they use with the pill draw. I've never seen it posted. So when you go to a new track that uses the pill draw, how are you supposed to know the method used? Apparently you must go on hunt for the officials that do the lineups if you can find them. I would imagine if they are like some of the tracks that I've been to, they aren't too happy about anyone even asking. I remember a few years back a very well known established dirt track north of Indianapolis had the midget feature race lineup all screwed up. When I saw the lineup, I approached the tower guys about it. They were not very happy about me asking. It was completely wrong and they did change finally.

Unless it's posted in detail, a track could play with the lineup anyway they choose. If there are 34 cars and four heat races with a standard eight cars in a heat, that leaves two cars to be distributed somewhere. So the track could easily put a favorite on the pole or could land in the back of the heat if the method is not detailed.

[Heromaker]

How about you close your eyes when the wheel is turning. Say stop and then turn and walk away.

That way your don't know what number you drew and when you see where you start you wont be upset.

There is always an alternative.........

[fishnman]

Glad this post got started. Now my wife won't have to DVR "All My Children" and General Hospital" anymore. She can just tune in here. Thank goodness, there wil be some DVR time left for me to record "Bill Dance Outdoors.