Bmw s1000rr engine

DAD · 3/19/15, 9:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TQ29m

I'm staying in my wheelhouse, that wikipedia page has a disclaimer on it, not current I believe! Bob

Bob

You win!!!!!!

http://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport/models/fz6r

Honest Dad himself

trannyman · 3/19/15, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TQ29m

DAD, I don't either, but you seem hell bent and whiskey bound, to put TQ's down every chance you get, are you that sorry you don't have one? I'm not! Bob

AMEN Bob!!Damn,that's 2 post I really like.You're staring to grow on me.lol.

trannyman · 3/19/15, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DAD

Jonsey

I like to call it "Cutting off one's nose to spite one's face".

"Then what?" we call them "TQ's"

Honest Dad himself

THIS is how you end up in Tq conversations.like Bob said,you're always speaking badly of them.

trannyman · 3/19/15, 11:52 PM

You can do your comparison of pay out if you like,but I know a family that ran the Peru and Logansport tracks in mini and the pay out was squat.Either way,if you're happy in your class,quit talking badly about others.

DAD · 3/20/15, 8:24 AM

Tranny

I have learned to appreciate Bob a long time ago. I enjoy our debates, he is very knowledgeable and tends to think outside the box. You don't do too bad of a job yourself. I see you started at the first of the post dated back to December 2013. The response was made to another debater on IOW by the name of Jim Jones. Rick Hench had asked a question about racing the then new BMW 1000rr motor in Mini Sprints. He had met a lot of push back because of Magazine write ups about its power.

Since the invention Mini sprints have always relied on what once was perceived as a never ending supply of very fast and always improving supply of bike motors. It was assumed that the newer motors would always have more power than the older ones and as the older motors bit the dust we simply replaced them with newer and more powerful late model motors. Well BMW came out with a motor described as having much more power than the other motors and created fire storm of concern about a perceived advantage it would have. The average cost of a 1000cc motor back then was $1500.00 to $2000.00. The BMW started out at about $3500.00 on Ebay.

The remark I made was about the two different philosophy's between the TQ racer and Mini Sprint racers. I am not even supposed to say Mini Sprint anymore because it is not Politically correct. We are supposed to use stock off of the bike motors with very little modifications of any kind to the motor. You guys chose to use a motor more or less dictated to be a 750 Honda with very extensive modifications done to the motor, thus my remark then what do you have a TQ.

The cars have tended to grow to be very much alike. When on a race track the crowd can't tell the difference between a Midget, a TQ Midget, or a Mini Sprint. In fact Terry and Bill May of MMSA had a Mini Sprint TQ shootout several years ago at Madison Indiana and their wasn't anybody sitting down to watch that feature race...The best way to describe it was awesome.

Our purses are in fact very similar to one another and are very similar to any other support group out there racing>>>It pays what it pays. Competition will dictate the purse the group putting on the best show will be able to negotiate for the better purse.

Competition and discushion is how we improve, lets keep it on a friendly basis Bob has moved up to the wheel house and I am thinking about moving from dog fighting to chicken fighting. I guess that puts Bob on top of things?

By the way Rick Hench seems to have dropped the BMW and moved on to the zx10r engine>>>but you never know if something will work if you never tried to make it work.

It would be neat if we could get another shoot out race put together at a little Bull Ring somewhere.

Honest Dad himself

Joespara · 2/24/16, 3:43 PM

Rick Hench my name is Joe and would like to speak to you on the phone or direct email please get back to me I have a BMW motor and need advice I'm in new York and its a different application but could really use your help

DAVE BOOS · 2/25/16, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Quantrill

Here are some comparison numbers for motors.

2008 ZX-10r

Compression Ratio 12.9:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 155.91 bhp @ 12,100 rpm
Measuerd Peak Torque 72.72 lbs.-ft @ 9,000 rpm

2008 GSXR

Compression Ratio 12.5:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 156.48 bhp @ 12,100 rpm
Measured Peak Torque 74.48 lbs. - ft. @ 9,950 rpm

2009 GSXR

Compression Ratio 12.8:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 159.89 bph @ 10,600 rpm
Measured Peak Torque 79.50 lbs.-ft @ 9,550 rpm

2008 R-1

Compression Ratio 12.7:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 152.62 bhp @ 11,750 rpm
Measured Peak Torque 76.77 lbs. - ft. @ 8,900 rpm

2009 Honda CBR

Compression Ratio 12.3:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 157.83 bhp @ 11,700 rpm
Measured Peak Torque 76.80 lbs.-ft @ 9,900 rpm

BMW

Compression Ratio 13.0:1
Measured Peak Horsepower 184.75 bhp @ 13,150 rpm
Measured Peak Torque 81.06 lbs. - ft. @ 10,250 rpm

All stock numbers from APE

Dad fill us in on the new ZX-10 numbers please..

......so assuming these #'s are based on sea level and running on gas, how much different do you think they would be on methanol? Also what kind of #'s do zx-12's put out? Thanks in advance Dave

Avon Open Wheel fan · 2/25/16, 11:54 AM

If anyone is wanting to race with us We allow any brand and year of motorcycle engines up to 1400cc in the Midwest Lightning Midget Series. We also allow TQs Kenyon midgets and stock block 2.4L and smaller automotive engines And Honda HDP cars to all race together in one series.

You can check out our Facebook page and web site for schedule and rules. We race in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois.

https://m.facebook.com/Midwest-Light...?ref=bookmarks

Www.midwestmidgetseries.com.

DAD · 2/25/16, 1:24 PM

You can reach Rick Hench at EMi - Eagle Motorsports, https://www.facebook.com/EagleMotorsportsInc

The BMW is a Nice piece. I wouldn't expect any Horsepower gain by switching to Methanol but it will run cooler. Forget about the Old School ZX12's.

It seems the big problem with the BMW and the most of the newer cycle motors is that the Brain Boxes are smarter than the people trying to convert them from Bikes to cars. A good motor for the tinker and problem solver. The only guy that I know that has been successful putting one in a car would be a guy named Paul Davis currently racing one with the MMSA here in Indiana.

Honest Dad himself

Quantrill · 2/26/16, 3:05 PM

Do you have to use stock ECU this year?

3/20/15, 8:24 AM	#45 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Tranny I have learned to appreciate Bob a long time ago. I enjoy our debates, he is very knowledgeable and tends to think outside the box. You don't do too bad of a job yourself. I see you started at the first of the post dated back to December 2013. The response was made to another debater on IOW by the name of Jim Jones. Rick Hench had asked a question about racing the then new BMW 1000rr motor in Mini Sprints. He had met a lot of push back because of Magazine write ups about its power. Since the invention Mini sprints have always relied on what once was perceived as a never ending supply of very fast and always improving supply of bike motors. It was assumed that the newer motors would always have more power than the older ones and as the older motors bit the dust we simply replaced them with newer and more powerful late model motors. Well BMW came out with a motor described as having much more power than the other motors and created fire storm of concern about a perceived advantage it would have. The average cost of a 1000cc motor back then was $1500.00 to $2000.00. The BMW started out at about $3500.00 on Ebay. The remark I made was about the two different philosophy's between the TQ racer and Mini Sprint racers. I am not even supposed to say Mini Sprint anymore because it is not Politically correct. We are supposed to use stock off of the bike motors with very little modifications of any kind to the motor. You guys chose to use a motor more or less dictated to be a 750 Honda with very extensive modifications done to the motor, thus my remark then what do you have a TQ. The cars have tended to grow to be very much alike. When on a race track the crowd can't tell the difference between a Midget, a TQ Midget, or a Mini Sprint. In fact Terry and Bill May of MMSA had a Mini Sprint TQ shootout several years ago at Madison Indiana and their wasn't anybody sitting down to watch that feature race...The best way to describe it was awesome. Our purses are in fact very similar to one another and are very similar to any other support group out there racing>>>It pays what it pays. Competition will dictate the purse the group putting on the best show will be able to negotiate for the better purse. Competition and discushion is how we improve, lets keep it on a friendly basis Bob has moved up to the wheel house and I am thinking about moving from dog fighting to chicken fighting. I guess that puts Bob on top of things? By the way Rick Hench seems to have dropped the BMW and moved on to the zx10r engine>>>but you never know if something will work if you never tried to make it work. It would be neat if we could get another shoot out race put together at a little Bull Ring somewhere. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 3/20/15 at 8:28 AM.

2/25/16, 11:54 AM	#48
Avon Open Wheel fan Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,272	If anyone is wanting to race with us We allow any brand and year of motorcycle engines up to 1400cc in the Midwest Lightning Midget Series. We also allow TQs Kenyon midgets and stock block 2.4L and smaller automotive engines And Honda HDP cars to all race together in one series. You can check out our Facebook page and web site for schedule and rules. We race in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois. https://m.facebook.com/Midwest-Light...?ref=bookmarks Www.midwestmidgetseries.com. __________________ Jay Tinder Media and Competition Director ILLINI Midgets www.illinimidgets.com _________________________________________________ Last edited by Avon Open Wheel fan; 2/25/16 at 1:02 PM.

2/25/16, 1:24 PM	#49 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	You can reach Rick Hench at EMi - Eagle Motorsports, https://www.facebook.com/EagleMotorsportsInc The BMW is a Nice piece. I wouldn't expect any Horsepower gain by switching to Methanol but it will run cooler. Forget about the Old School ZX12's. It seems the big problem with the BMW and the most of the newer cycle motors is that the Brain Boxes are smarter than the people trying to convert them from Bikes to cars. A good motor for the tinker and problem solver. The only guy that I know that has been successful putting one in a car would be a guy named Paul Davis currently racing one with the MMSA here in Indiana. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 2/25/16 at 1:30 PM.

2/26/16, 3:05 PM	#50 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
Quantrill Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 526	Do you have to use stock ECU this year? _________________________________________________ Last edited by Quantrill; 2/26/16 at 3:07 PM.