Back about 3 years ago somebody got to Jerry Tague at AMSA and blew a bunch of smoke about 30 hp gain for alky. I suspect it was probably his dyno guy, he also learned that the zx12 was some sort of monster motor, so Jerry trying to make things fare for his racers outlawed the zx12 and developed his weight limits for alky vs gasoline. Bill May followed Jerry's lead and did the MMSA rules to keep things equal.

In the light of these dyno sheets and general hell that has been raised in recent months I think re-thinking is in order for all groups.

MMSA is having a banquet and meeting this Sunday come on over.
I think just in the light of safety and engine life alky is far better fuel than gasoline and converting over does not have to be that expensive with our electronic injectors. Probably get by with 4 new 60 lb injectors about 75.00 each machine throttle bodies for the new injectors, a new fuel rail, and fuel filter with 50 micron or smaller ss element in it. I would hope you already have an old ford van fuel pump and a fuel pres regulator and dynojet. With alky you can do a lot of your map by changing fuel pres settings. and do without the dynojet, Close enough for government work but not spot on.

Now how about my left nerf bar rule?

what is a "sheeple" ?

"sheeple".....one that does not run with flock..

HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION OW44 we will have 600/750 sidewinder support classes



2012 Florida Winternationals
Lightning Sprint Rules


FUEL: ANY FUEL Gas/Alcohol/E85

Six (6) inch offset-measured C/L of motor and C/L of frame.

NO in cockpit adjustments of any kind STRICTLY enforced.


CHASSIS:

UPRIGHT CHASSIS ONLY

Roll cage - minimum 11/4 inch OD X .095 wall 4130n tubing.

Driver minimum head clearance 3 inches measured to the top of the cage.

Wheelbase: Min. 63 inches - Max. 72 inches.


Drivers feet required to be behind the motor.


WEIGHT:

1000cc 950 lbs. with driver for winged events, 925 lbs. for non-winged.

1205cc 975 lbs. with driver for winged events, 950 lbs. for non-winged

1352cc/with quick change only 1050 lbs. with driver for winged events, 1025 lbs. for non-winged

600/750cc UPRIGHT cars min. weight with driver is 875 lbs, for winged and 850 lbs for non-winged

Gas: 25# less across the board

We will check the weights to make sure they are safely placed attached to the car. You must have them BOLTED to the chassis, you CANNOT use hose clamps or plastic ties to hold them on the car. You will be inspected and must be painted white and have your # CLEARLY on each piece of weight.....


NO TITANIUM PARTS OF ANY KIND ON CAR UNLESS THEY COME STOCK IN THE ENGINE
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Guy's PLEASE take into consideration that you will be racing with the BEST racers from across the nation and it will be NON WING which is the BIGGEST and MOST powerful equalizer when it come to weight and power. We will be on a 40 compound ANY BRAND tire, GAS OR ALKY/E85 STOCK motors...any injection stock or aftermarket....These weight have been tested at OMS without the wing and it is VERY FAIR rather the driver is 175 like the guy that ran 2nd in points or 280 like the guy that won the Championship....when you remove the wing NO ONE HAS AN ADVANTAGE I promise you this ...it is all about putting the right set up under it and the cat that is setting in the seat. NOT about who can out spend who...if you would like to talk 1 on 1 my # is (904) 803-3255 Wayne Davis...Thanks to all that has added MUCH NEED INPUT....Doug Johnson at Outlaw Race Parts and myself are looking to do a NATIONAL SERIES with NATIONAL points and $$$...hopefully we can take all the info we get off of these boards and put them to good use...I will be attend the Promoters Workshop at the PRI Show in Orlando and hope to discuss National rules with other Lightning Sprint Promoters

Guess them I must be a sheeple to the tenth power and loving it.

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PP OUTLAW If you consider the center of the crank shaft as the center of the motor in a longitudinal motor set up you are going to have a problem with your offset rule. They will have a real left side weight advantage over the chain drive cars.

That is for chain drive Only

"Jimbob5m must use a conservitive dictionary,and I guess Cadpro18 has a liberal version. I for one usually take the road less traveled. Just don't like it "inside the box, could be a Maverick, best described as strange and way out in "right" field.


Why would one allow one style car a 10% to 15% left side weight advantage? It got so bad in the east coast modifides they had a left side weight rule in place. The midget rear end is set up for a 1" left side offset motor, from the center of the crank to the center of the sprocket is going to be 8 to10 inches or about 9 to 11 inches total offset that would put the crank c/L real close to the left side frame rail and with the motor setting at 30 degrees the cyl head will be way out side the chassis. In reality they will probably need all the help they can get, but rules also need to be consistent and not skewed too much.

Probably quoting racer jim2 "real race cars have chains!"

on the question of weight ...925# divided by HP of engine on gas (170-180) equals 5-5.5 lbs per HP....now you have a ratio to apply to all cars no matter the fuel used...

HP numbers that I have recieved from experts..gas 170-185....alky 175-192....so if you take average of above numbers and apply ratio one comes up with 25lbs add on for alky....this is by the numbers ..may not reflect my opinion....these numbers are for stock 1000cc of all makes..