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usac14 (Offline)
  #41 12/5/09 7:00 PM
Originally Posted by dirtywhiteboy:
ATTENTION SC96, THIS IS A NON NEGATIVE POST

I feel the negativity is more along the lines that these things were shoved down people's thorats when they were labeled New Generation Silver Crown cars. When they were introduced, USAC forced out the original pavement cars and put these in their place. That power pull alienated alot of fans and a few car owners against the cars and USAC. Also, negativity stems from people seeing how these things failed before and a few people emphatically saying these will be a success now.
Well, if your ***** is that USAC forced out the original pavement cars and put these in their place....then...go read the many posts that explain why they originally went to this car. I'll sum it up for you.

MOST MILE PAVEMENT TRACKS NO LONGER WANTED THE SILVER CROWN CARS!!! I don't know if it was because of the cost to the promoter or they just didn't want them. A good example is look at how hard is was for the PRA to get races at a fraction of the Silver Crown purse. So USAC looked at the options and they decided they needed a car that could race at bigger venues as well as the smaller ones. Wow...something many of you don't understand....Change was needed. Did they handle it right? NO! But at least they made an attempt. Now Ashmore has take over and is gambeling that it will work. I don't know if it will, but I like it's chances better out of USAC's hands. It is going to need the full attention of someone than being another series in an organization.

Just stop blaming the new car for the silver crown problems. THE PAVEMENT SERIES WAS IN TROUBLE FAR BEFORE THEY SWITCHED!!!!!!!!!!!
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Lucky161 (Offline)
  #42 12/5/09 10:04 PM
Originally Posted by usac14:


Well, if your ***** is that USAC forced out the original pavement cars and put these in their place....then...go read the many posts that explain why they originally went to this car. I'll sum it up for you.

MOST MILE PAVEMENT TRACKS NO LONGER WANTED THE SILVER CROWN CARS!!! I don't know if it was because of the cost to the promoter or they just didn't want them. A good example is look at how hard is was for the PRA to get races at a fraction of the Silver Crown purse. So USAC looked at the options and they decided they needed a car that could race at bigger venues as well as the smaller ones. Wow...something many of you don't understand....Change was needed. Did they handle it right? NO! But at least they made an attempt. Now Ashmore has take over and is gambeling that it will work. I don't know if it will, but I like it's chances better out of USAC's hands. It is going to need the full attention of someone than being another series in an organization.

Just stop blaming the new car for the silver crown problems. THE PAVEMENT SERIES WAS IN TROUBLE FAR BEFORE THEY SWITCHED!!!!!!!!!!!
Which might all be well and good except for a few things.
First it was sold as an upgrade to existing pavement SC cars. Had to look similar and have some interchangability with the existing cars to keep the cost of the changeover down. And it was going to be built by the top builders in SC. It also was supposed to have the support of both nascar and USAC.

Then the design went to a road racer (Riley). It required total replacement of the cars, no such thing as an upgrade of existing cars. Most if not all traditional SC builders dropped out of the program. The cost of the cars went from a normal $40K to $85K w/o much to show for it except a body that most said was ugly. Now to Riley who sells his tube framed road race cars for $3-5 hundred thousand each, $85K may sound like a bargain. But to the traditional SC owners it sounded like the price of the cars just doubled. Apparently the "support" from nascar and USAC was a cheering section, not subsidies to help the owners with the purchase of the new expensive cars. Nor did their support translate into sponsors or a full schedule of races. nascar has around 80 cars who have sponsors that would consider $85K a petty cash expense, yet they couldn't bring 30-40 of those around. They ran a few (very few) races and then dropped the whole thing like they'd never heard of it before.

Fast forward to 2009. Now, Bruce Ashmore, another road racer has bought the series. He has made few changes. The most noticeble one being a new nose that even though he is a designer, farmed out. The existing SCII cars are legal to race in the series if only they put up another $10K for the new bodies. The cost of the cars, a major obstacle with the previous attempt is still $85K. There still aren't any races scheduled and only 4 exhibitions on tap. According to Ashmore himself the neatest thing about the new cars is that they don't have on board computers. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the SC cars ever allowed on board computers.

Personally I don't have a problem with Ashmore's credentials as a car designer, but he didn't design anything on these cars. The credentials he is lacking is in the area of promotion. He doesn't have any. That doesn't mean he cannot be successful at promotion, but it is certainly not a big plus for him. He bought a series that had serious (fatal) flaws, did nothing to correct them and is trying to sell the same basic product. Could he do any worse than nascar and USAC did the first time around? I don't guess that's possible, but I'd feel a lot better about his chances of doing better if he addressed those flaws in a serious manner.
rz1 (Offline)
  #43 12/5/09 10:54 PM
If USAC would have came out with the car looking like this in the first place there would have been alot fewer haters.
I say fire them up, hear the bad ass rumble, smell the alchohol and I'd watch them race.
Way better than any Napcar series!

rz
Russ (Offline)
  #44 12/5/09 11:57 PM
I wouldn't walk across the street to watch them for free. I'd rather watch Thundercars run at Kokomo than these things.
sc96 (Offline)
  #45 12/6/09 12:50 AM
[QUOTE=dirtywhiteboy;148416]ATTENTION SC96, THIS IS A NON NEGATIVE POST

I feel the negativity is more along the lines that these things were shoved down people's thorats when they were labeled New Generation Silver Crown cars. When they were introduced, USAC forced out the original pavement cars and put these in their place. That power pull alienated alot of fans and a few car owners against the cars and USAC. Also, negativity stems from people seeing how these things failed before and a few people emphatically saying these will be a success now.[/QUOTE Yes it was shoved down the owners throughts and that was the wrong way to go at it. But not one person involved with the GC series had anything to do with it and we are left with the fall out. The SC series is on life support I just hope USAC can get it back to where it should be. I want both SC and GC to be successfull it would be great to run 5-8 pavement sc races and then also run another 8-10 gc races.
Vukie (Offline)
  #46 12/6/09 2:32 AM
mac miller (Offline)
  #47 12/6/09 9:42 AM
a couple of random comments......

* I wonder what Bruce Ashmore could have come up with, had he been able to start from scratch, instead of being stuck with these crap cars and orphan owners... cmon, Bruce! show us a sketch or two of what you could really do with a clean sheet of paper.

* I wonder if ol' sc96 and that other guy that used to be here, MS41, would jump at the chance to bail out on this mess, if somebody offered them fifty cents on the dollar for their gc jalopies???? Is it time for a government bailout??? Cash for Clunkers II !!!

* I'm kind of excited at the bizarre prospect of these things running the road courses. I wanna be right there in that tight right hand corner watching that guy grab that clutch lever with his left hand, reach down, between his legs,with his right hand for that shift lever, left foot hard on the brake, right foot, keeping those revs up, on the gas pedal........ and all of a sudden coming to the realization that he is at least one limb or appendage short of being able to turn the steering wheel. Now that should be fun to watch!

* If I want to watch "fat and ugly" I can go down to my local WalMart any time and watch it, for free..... and, at least, its not spec "fat and ugly".

* Hopefully, Goodyear can come up with a better quality tire than they do for nascar.
sc96 (Offline)
  #48 12/6/09 3:07 PM
Originally Posted by mac miller:
a couple of random comments......

* I wonder what Bruce Ashmore could have come up with, had he been able to start from scratch, instead of being stuck with these crap cars and orphan owners... cmon, Bruce! show us a sketch or two of what you could really do with a clean sheet of paper.

* I wonder if ol' sc96 and that other guy that used to be here, MS41, would jump at the chance to bail out on this mess, if somebody offered them fifty cents on the dollar for their gc jalopies???? Is it time for a government bailout??? Cash for Clunkers II !!!

* I'm kind of excited at the bizarre prospect of these things running the road courses. I wanna be right there in that tight right hand corner watching that guy grab that clutch lever with his left hand, reach down, between his legs,with his right hand for that shift lever, left foot hard on the brake, right foot, keeping those revs up, on the gas pedal........ and all of a sudden coming to the realization that he is at least one limb or appendage short of being able to turn the steering wheel. Now that should be fun to watch!

* If I want to watch "fat and ugly" I can go down to my local WalMart any time and watch it, for free..... and, at least, its not spec "fat and ugly".

* Hopefully, Goodyear can come up with a better quality tire than they do for nascar.
We are planning to switch out the hand clutch with a foot clutch and our shifter is already on the right side close to where a standard shifter would be.And no I would not sell my car for .50 on the dollar. I did like your car you had down in Texas though it looked pretty good.

---------- Post added at 02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:07 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Vukie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM
That was a good one!!!
D.O. (Offline)
  #49 12/6/09 5:48 PM
Look for Silver Crown at Berlin & Illiana in 2010 plus additional ORP?
Just guessing here.
sc96 (Offline)
  #50 12/6/09 7:30 PM
Originally Posted by D.O.:
Look for Silver Crown at Berlin & Illiana in 2010 plus additional ORP?
Just guessing here.
This is good news it may not be a Richmond or Phoenix BUT AT LEAST WE GET TO RUN and with less travel we may see real good car counts.
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