[kcarm92]

Only real problem with format now if you want to qualify use it only for heat line up if a guy starts 11th in his heat because of a bad time thens runs his azz off and finishs 5 th in first heat reward him and put on pole of b-main dont kick him in the azz again and make him run the c-main same as fast time if he breaks in heat he goes to the c-main and starts behind cars that finished heats feature lineups by heat finish see how many new winners you have then instead of always rewarding the guys that qualify good or are lucky at drawing their spot

[Andrew S. Quinn]

The only problem with this,is that you would have to send USAC officials AND track promoters to go to Australia to learn how to run a fast paced program. Most tracks in Australia (and not Warrnambool where they have the Grand Annual Classic) have strict curfews,and have to pull the finger out to keep from going over the curfew.


Its been many years since I have been to Australia,and the rules have changed a bit with higher car counts since they went with 410 engines that standardized their engines with ours here in the USA,but I liked their format of time trials,2 heats per driver etc. They award points on time trials,heats etc,and the only real gripe I remember back then was the amount of points for time trials was worth more than heat points.

Originally Posted by davidm I like the format they use with WSS in Australia were they run several heats to set the feature. I think everyone gets to run two heat races. " World Series Sprintcars’ Rounds. Under the new format, Time Trials and Heat Races will be spread the field into two separate groups. When the car count is sufficient (approx. 40 cars plus) the heat racing will be 2 Rounds of 4 Heats to evenly separate the field for the evening, and provide all drivers with an even chance to be placed in the crucial ‘A Main’ Feature at the end of each WSS Round. Similar to the Grand Annual Sprintcar Classic Format, at these WSS Rounds drivers will be separated into 2 groups until all points are then merged into one entire list for the Feature part of the evening. For example, in a 50 car field – the field will be seeded into 2 Flights of 25 cars, Flight 1 and Flight 2. After this separation cars in Flight 1 will only Time Trial and Heat race against each other, and Flight 2 will only Time Trial and Heat race against the competitors in Flight 2. After Heat racing is completed, the Flights are merged and our final points tally for the feature part of the WSS Round is calculated."

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by kcarm92 Only real problem with format now if you want to qualify use it only for heat line up if a guy starts 11th in his heat because of a bad time thens runs his azz off and finishs 5 th in first heat reward him and put on pole of b-main dont kick him in the azz again and make him run the c-main same as fast time if he breaks in heat he goes to the c-main and starts behind cars that finished heats feature lineups by heat finish see how many new winners you have then instead of always rewarding the guys that qualify good or are lucky at drawing their spot

I agree, Yet under the large count format there would be less in two B's taking three each and no C.

And I've never understood how a consi transfer can start seventh, Ahead of NINE cars that transferred from the heats. It's just a reward IMHO on qualifying where most formats they'd start 17th.

I remember Tim Clauson saying something to the effect, No matter the format, It's a game.
He who plays the game the best. WINS

[revjimk]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester I agree, Yet under the large count format there would be less in two B's taking three each and no C. And I've never understood how a consi transfer can start seventh, Ahead of NINE cars that transferred from the heats. It's just a reward IMHO on qualifying where most formats they'd start 17th. I remember Tim Clauson saying something to the effect, No matter the format, It's a game. He who plays the game the best. WINS

Yea, it bugs me that a good qualifier who transfers from B can start ahead of heat transfers in the A. All heat transfers first, THEN B transfers.
Also agree that more heats with max of 8 cars beats heats with little or no chance for guys in back.
It wouldn't break my heart to do away with qualifying altogether, random draw for heats, then completely invert & run 'em back, combine heat finishes to start A
But unless they all start side by side, every format has its drawbacks, we can go round & round on this forever....

[revjimk]

Originally Posted by kcarm92 Only real problem with format now if you want to qualify use it only for heat line up if a guy starts 11th in his heat because of a bad time thens runs his azz off and finishs 5 th in first heat reward him and put on pole of b-main dont kick him in the azz again and make him run the c-main same as fast time if he breaks in heat he goes to the c-main and starts behind cars that finished heats feature lineups by heat finish see how many new winners you have then instead of always rewarding the guys that qualify good or are lucky at drawing their spot

I agree with that too, but it would be easier to understand if you used periods instead of one long run-on sentence.
My basic thing is that racing should be more important than qualifying

[JDK222]

The current system is very good in my opinion, you just have to learn the skills required for each phase. You are rewarded in the A when you have qualified well and raced well in your heat. Sorry there are guys who don't qualify well but it really shows who can have 110% focus for 2 laps it's not easy. Most series now qualifying is a joke and isn't that exciting but in USAC it's an extra event for the fans. The current system is also the reason you get new winners which is good for the series. I think the system also does a good job of getting the top drivers in the A. If you are running for points and miss the A there are provisionals available. Only thing I would like to see added is a 4 car trophy dash to set the front 2 rows.

[BrentTFunk]

B main cars start behind cars that transfered through the heat now. I think that is fair.

[revjimk]

Originally Posted by BrentTFunk B main cars start behind cars that transfered through the heat now. I think that is fair.

Partially true. From USAC Website: "Starting lineup: Starting positions determined by qualifying time, fastest at the front, with fastest six heat race transfers inverted in positions 1-6."
So that means a transfer from B can start as high as 7th if his qualifying time is fast enough, ahead of several heat transfers. Also a 4th place car in the heat can start ahead of heat winner if he has a faster time. Or if I understand it right, a B transfer can start ahead of a heat winner who isn't Top 6 timer
Pretty confusing, I guess its somewhat fair, & obviously no format can be 100% fair unless they all start side by side, which is impossible....
My main thing is that racing should count more than qualifying

[Charles Nungester]

My main point was that a good racer that necessaraly isn't a good qualifier have a fair shot to make the field. Same for mechanical problems in qualifying.

It's hard for a reg field. But nearly impossible with a large count to just race your way into the show. That eight ball gets exponentially bigger.

[BrentTFunk]

I like competition. Tough but not impossible. I feel the way it is, is still by far the best format out there.