I am greatful of the veterans and all the people who fight for this country, but ONE SONG doesn't change everything they have done. What they have done for this country is what should be remembered, not some song.

This coming from a man that believes it not divisive to have a separate national anthem, its just divisive to discuss it. :headbang

As they say, facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to superman.

The best part is that the pipelines are moving less today than they were before we went over. It seems like we "damaged" them in our hast to find Saddam.

Make no mistake about it, cheap energy costs have helped make our nation great and are the backbone of our success. I don't mean cheap in comparison to other countries. I mean cheap;period.

Everyone speaks of a National Rail System like Europe has, but people forget that we already had one and we replaced it with the highway and that Europe is a small area as a whole.

I like the Hydrogen car, but what do you think is going to happen to our weather system when about 50,000,000 cars are putting water and steam in the air 24/7?
How is the electric car cleaner when we have to build coal plants to power them?

Of course all of this is off topic. Personally, I think without being there and seeing the setting and cicumstances in Denver in person, it's hard to judge.

I will say this:When you uproot a society of people and move them to another part of the world and use them for workers, then give them barely the basics of life, then "free" them but keep them seperate and second class citizens for many years afterwards, then finally after much fight you give them "equal rights"; It's probably going to take some time for them to obtain the "warm fuzzies".

I am very ignorant as far as the song goes and it's meanings, but I am proud to live in a country where we can all have our own beliefs and express them, but at the same time have the RIGHT to work towards common goals that benefit us all. All races, backgrounds and spiritual beliefs. It happens nowhere else in the world and it has never happened in any time in any other society to the level it happens here.

The problem we have today is that we have it too good and we won't truely stand together and fight for a common goal. We keep waiting for SOMEONE ELSE to rock the boat and make changes. For everyone who leaves a gas pump and bitches or wants us out of Iraq, but hasn't written their congress and other political leaders, then it is mainly YOUR fault things aren't changing. We all have a voice, let them hear it.


I'm Scott Baue and I approve this message.

I just want to point out there is nothing personal about this conversation.

Realistically...there is no WAY any politician will outlaw racing in a free country.

The votes are not there, and racing is not in danger from being extinct.

I am just saying the REAL problem is high fuel prices, and spending money " nation building" in Iraq. That is a more serious threat to our livelyhood.

Hell..there are rigs already with oil working in Iraq..and we have been there since 2003...WHERE IS THAT OIL ON THE MARKET?...WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THAT DEAL?

Now...I have had my say..I am off to a picnic in the rain..

Later

After reading some of these posts, it might be time to bring back General Ambrose Burnside's General Order No. 38 that he issued for the Department of the Ohio during the Civil War.
It read:
General Order No. 38 stated:
The habit of declaring sympathy for the enemy will not be allowed in this department. Persons committing such offenses will be at once arrested with a view of being tried. . .or sent beyond our lines into the lines of their friends. It must be understood that treason, expressed or implied, will not be tolerated in this department.

One dissenting politician was bannish to Kentucky for protesting General Order No. 38.

What's this gotta do with racing. Nothing except that it's raining, we're bored and I'm sitting here watching The Young and the Restless for lack of anything better to do right now.
And, it kinda sounds like the type of bad idea that it seems some on this thread support. July Fourth celebrates freedom. That includes the freedom to tolerate all perspectives.
And that version of the National Anthem heard during the Mountain Dew commerical is the CLASSIC Jimi Hendricks rendition performed at Woodstock. I love that version, which, I believe, was done with reverence and respect.

Jim Morrison,
who loves this country, the men and women who choose to fight for it, and the freedoms that guarantee us the right the criticize it when we disagree with our leaders without the fear of being shipped off to Kentucky.
Those same freedoms allow our discussions here.

Enjoy the fireworks.