if you want to watch the best of the best then usac is the show to see.now the cost thing,last sat night mscs ran at the best track around for 3,000 to win and what 28 cars or so showed up and the worst track around ran for 1,200 to win and had the same car count,im little lost on that. if you dont like usac then why dont you guys run with mscs,i think they are the next best thing so help them grow to be bigger then usac

And those who didn't make the show still went home with a little money, they didn't take your last D---------------- dime and send you home gasmoneyless.

[Sprint63122]

If usac only wants around 30 cars for there travelling show in the future where in the hell are they gonna get them from.I figure 2 cars from Stewart and Kahne camps maybe one from Kunz and I do not know if Hoffman would run that much if so one more lets see that is a total of 6 cars for a touring series not going to make it work that way people.Last weekend the truckers cars were at the mscs show as well as both walkers cars and I know benic has been at some of the mscs shows to as well as stanbrough.You would think that usac if wanting to grow would be a good strong core group in its home state before branching out they have nothing in good paying races in there home state and I will applaud mscs for stepping up to the plate here and taking the big lead on this one.Non-wing sprint cars are putting on some of the best racing there is to see right now and it is a potential gold mine for the right group to see it grow,but remember you have to take care of the drivers and car owners plus the fans otherwise you will have nothing.

[Charles Nungester]

Originally Posted by Sprint63122 If usac only wants around 30 cars for there travelling show in the future where in the hell are they gonna get them from.I figure 2 cars from Stewart and Kahne camps maybe one from Kunz and I do not know if Hoffman would run that much if so one more lets see that is a total of 6 cars for a touring series not going to make it work that way people.Last weekend the truckers cars were at the mscs show as well as both walkers cars and I know benic has been at some of the mscs shows to as well as stanbrough.You would think that usac if wanting to grow would be a good strong core group in its home state before branching out they have nothing in good paying races in there home state and I will applaud mscs for stepping up to the plate here and taking the big lead on this one.Non-wing sprint cars are putting on some of the best racing there is to see right now and it is a potential gold mine for the right group to see it grow,but remember you have to take care of the drivers and car owners plus the fans otherwise you will have nothing.

And there lies my point. Kirk says it's a second and a half difference. Yet it's only about six teams dominating that with three things, Technology, Qualifying experience and money.

There was a time when a couple of the locals could give em a run or beat them. This isn't happening much anymore. Heck they won't even show up at their home track to race against them they feel they are behind the eight ball before entering the gate and get nothing if they don't make the heats.

Chuck

[Kirk Spridgeon]

You're wrong, Chuck. What six teams do you refer to? I want to check out their stats...
Why does Jon Stanbrough win more than anybody else?

Why does Tracy Hines end up in the NQ at Gas City?

Shane Cottle comes in this year with Tray House as his crew chief and is freaking tough.

Kasey Kahne Racing DID NOT WIN A SPRINT CAR RACE in 2007.

If you go to the track just hoping to make the heat races, you shouldn't be there.

Wake up! If the local guys whined and made as many excuses as you guys do, they'd never have a shot to knock off the USAC guys...

[tonyj]

Originally Posted by Kirk Spridgeon You're wrong, Chuck. What six teams do you refer to? I want to check out their stats... Why does Jon Stanbrough win more than anybody else? Why does Tracy Hines end up in the NQ at Gas City? Shane Cottle comes in this year with Tray House as his crew chief and is freaking tough. Kasey Kahne Racing DID NOT WIN A SPRINT CAR RACE in 2007. If you go to the track just hoping to make the heat races, you shouldn't be there. Wake up! If the local guys whined and made as many excuses as you guys do, they'd never have a shot to knock off the USAC guys...

I don't think you should have to have the mentality of just "making a heat race". If the fast guys are that fast...make 'em run against EVERYBODY that signed in. Why limit ANY possibilities??? I would hate to tell any team they "shouldn't be there". That kind of idea is what will limit USAC's ability to survive!!

[sprinter7]

I'm with briscoe. Without the cars, there is no SHOW. Two hundred bucks to enter a race... No tow money... STUPID. I'd rather buy a new right rear. Not that it matters but you wont see me at any USAC races, do to the entry fee. That is, unless briscoe wants to pay my way in.lol

[DonMoore10]

If you eliminate the "shouldn't be there" teams, you won't have enough cars to fill the show. There needs to be a complete revolution in the political process of how we race with what rules. Right now, the rules favor the teams spending 2 million dollars to win $2500. Does not make any sense at all. Can anybody name one USAC rule that has been implemented to DRASTICALLY reduce the cost of racing? Still thinking?????? Can the "shouldn't be there" teams afford a bunch of the new Fontana and Chevrolet motors that are provided for the two million dollar teams? This is just crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[K9Racer]

Kevin and Craig are right. Joe Roush has been trying to get the same point across for several years. Why are racers paying to put on a show? You also have some local tracks that are adding more costs every year under the guise of "better for the show". If it is so much better for the show why aren't the owners or promoters paying for these improvements??? Membership fees at local tracks, transponder fees, radio fees, entry fees. Where does it end?? They are hosing us just as the oil companies, because they can get away with it. We, racers, let them. While I agree that something needs to be done, I also think it will be extremely difficult to get car owners and drivers to stick together. People criticise Paragon (unfairly); there is tuff competition there, every body gets to run a feature and you don't leave with less than $100.00, no politcal B.S. no B.S. fees. Just by a pit pass and go racing. Yes it would be great to have a Tony Stewart budget then none of this would be a big deal. Last time I looked there are many more people in my budget range than T.S. Racing is still fantastic, but the greed is out of control.

[smbpreformance]

Originally Posted by Sprint Fan But on the other hand, I had a good friend that was injured a few years back at a USAC event, the care and concern he recieved was amazing! I seriously doubt there is ANY other racing sanction that takes better care of their racers than USAC did then.

Don Townsand died during hotlaps for the USAC race in turn three at Mansfield in 2005.

Ask his widow how many USAC officials were at the funreal.........NONE
I was there paying my respects to my friend and a long time racer and kept looking around trying to find a single USAC employee and not a seeing a single one there. Don did not run many USAC races focusing mostly on wing pavement stuff but most years he ran the Little 500 and 1-2 USAC shows. He was a USAC drop in but paid the fees like everyone else and all they could do was send a card and some flowers and not a represinitve.

Do you have to run a full season for them to respect you after giving your life at their event?


Several times in this thread people have stated how many USAC enployees there are however everytime one gets let go there is a huge uprising and everyone is pissed off at USAC.........You can either have dozens of employees or lay-offs.....which one do you want?