[sday27]

still a 2008 - 2010 gsxr 1000 has more hp 191

[DAD]

Got my stop watch out. Went on u-tube Tulsa shoot out 1200 mini sprints and ecotec midgets. We are about the same times 12.80- 13.20 as ecotec's but ecotecs were more consistant. Best midget times about 11.95-12.40 for Kevin Swindell in hot laps 2011.

Originally Posted by Papa Outlaw Hey Dad good questions....any midget is legal as long as the meet the rules...weight...self starting....clutch...no more then 1205cc and no bump starting ...must be running and able to drive off....the reason for the quick change rule it opens op more possibilities to get more cars like buying a used midget...adding more cockpit space...getting away from chain drives...all pluses....have spoken to a couple of other series that is going to follow suit in 2012....hope I answered you question...if not feel free to call...Wayne Davis (904) 803-3255 thanks ---------- Post added at 07:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:39 PM ---------- This is way we will be so unique.... motorcycle engines have all that internal...clutch and tranmission

I like the rules, not so much getting away with chain drive, but thats a small factor, as long as you have the option to run a chain. How do you run shaft drive off a jap engine ? I've never seen it done. I like small light cars, thus chain drive in a minisprint works for me. I'm looking for sponsors, putting flyers out ect hoping to make the nonwing winter nats. I could care less what I'm racing against as long as they're in the sprit of the rules . Also to me self starting would mean the driver does it from the cockpit, but once again not a huge issue for me. Theres two races in October up here in PA. I'm not quite ready to go which is a bummer. they're nonwing, nonrule, no weight limit lightning sprint races, no midgets allowed. Me and my car weigh 870 lbs, I'd be fun.
I want to build a zx1400 car, that would be a nice ride. they are full of torque. My buds got a pretty orange ninja, he'd know right where to look if it disappeared.

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by backitin I like the rules, not so much getting away with chain drive, but thats a small factor, as long as you have the option to run a chain. How do you run shaft drive off a jap engine ? I've never seen it done. I like small light cars, thus chain drive in a minisprint works for me. I'm looking for sponsors, putting flyers out ect hoping to make the nonwing winter nats. I could care less what I'm racing against as long as they're in the sprit of the rules . Also to me self starting would mean the driver does it from the cockpit, but once again not a huge issue for me. Theres two races in October up here in PA. I'm not quite ready to go which is a bummer. they're nonwing, nonrule, no weight limit lightning sprint races, no midgets allowed. Me and my car weigh 870 lbs, I'd be fun. I want to build a zx1400 car, that would be a nice ride. they are full of torque. My buds got a pretty orange ninja, he'd know right where to look if it disappeared.

Adapting a motorcycle engine to a drive line isn't a huge problem, there are several places to buy the parts needed, including my shop, Acro Engineering, Gary Schroeder, and some more in the East, and West. Pretty simple, really! Bob

Originally Posted by TQ29m Adapting a motorcycle engine to a drive line isn't a huge problem, there are several places to buy the parts needed, including my shop, Acro Engineering, Gary Schroeder, and some more in the East, and West. Pretty simple, really! Bob

Ok, cool. Its been years since I've been around lightning sprints and I've never seen one other then chain driven. Minisprints pretty much had a go then died out in these parts. My chassis guy originally wanted to pick up a midget and put a 1000 in it. Around here however a lightning sprint has to be chain drive. At that point it didnt make sense to convert a midget to chain. I'd like to take a nice midget roller and put a 1400 in it.

[George Pollock]

Non technical minds have been oisened over this gas vs. alcohol fuel issue.
Alcohol is cheaper to run more consistent and safer than gas.
The conversion cost is very low unless you decide to purchase a high end system with billet hardware with stacks and a turn key system complete.
The average person with average mechanical ability can convert the suzuki and kawasaki engines to alcohal for less than $150.
Everything needed is available on the internet.
Dyno data shows a small gain with menthanol over pump gas.
Race gas at about $20 per gallon is comparable above 10,000 rpm.
Any weight adjustment above 20 to 30 pounds stronglydisadvantages the menthanol car.
Ethanol can be used in all the 1000 cc engines with very simple $000 cost adjustments.
When I got into mini sprint racing I offered to help others with this fuel conversion only to find out it PO certain individuals who were biased and wanted to race only gas.
Run gas or alcohol but level the weight requirements
The same teams will be wining and same teams will be crying

[TQ29m]

These ARE NOT Lightning Sprints, they are known as TQ Midgets, born right after WWll, as a less expensive aproach to full midget race cars, not to be confused with any other race car, and every type engine you could think of has been used, it is a class of race car, that has always had few specifications, but they are very rigid, and allow you to be inventive, as long as you stay within the rules provided. Bob

Originally Posted by George Pollock Non technical minds have been oisened over this gas vs. alcohol fuel issue. Alcohol is cheaper to run more consistent and safer than gas. The conversion cost is very low unless you decide to purchase a high end system with billet hardware with stacks and a turn key system complete. The average person with average mechanical ability can convert the suzuki and kawasaki engines to alcohal for less than $150. Everything needed is available on the internet. Dyno data shows a small gain with menthanol over pump gas. Race gas at about $20 per gallon is comparable above 10,000 rpm. Any weight adjustment above 20 to 30 pounds stronglydisadvantages the menthanol car. Ethanol can be used in all the 1000 cc engines with very simple $000 cost adjustments. When I got into mini sprint racing I offered to help others with this fuel conversion only to find out it PO certain individuals who were biased and wanted to race only gas. Run gas or alcohol but level the weight requirements The same teams will be wining and same teams will be crying

I think weight limits should be same for both fuels. I have both a gas and a methanol setup. Right now the car is on the gas setup. Its got keihin CR carbs on it. I like gas cuz I'm tired and lazy. The car came that way, runs perfect and I can leave the fuel in it for awhile and not worry about it like I'd have to with alcohol.

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by TQ29m These ARE NOT Lightning Sprints Bob

Hey Bob the series I have is Southern States Lightning Sprint....I'm 56 years young and do not like change about like a lot of most of us old and young farts on here but I am open enough to see opportunity to grow the sport. With the economy the way it it's and so very hard to get full fields of cars one has to be innovative. with what I am proposing to run for the winternationals I feel will do just that...do rules get tweaked, sure they do. Last year many said the sidewinders would eat up the uprights...I proved them wrong. Removing the wing is a great equalizer along with a RR hardness compound. If people would not live in the pass and open their eyes to new things it would be so much better. Contrary to belief things do not stay the same, if they did where would we be?

My proposal is to open up as much as I can and be FAIR about it..you can't please everyone...One man tried that and we all know what happened to him!!

Lightning Sprint aka as Up-Right Mini Sprint: Motorcycle powered/13 inch wheel/chain driven straight axle rearend downsized sprint car...750/1200cc STOCK engine 66/74 inch wheel base

Midget/Focus/Ecotec: Up-Right downsized sprint car/various inline 4 cly engine, cost anywhere from 7500.00/25000.00/direct drive/must be push started/quick change rearend.

TQ Midget: Motorcycle engine usually no more then 836cc/up-right with quickchange rear end no chain drives allowed/self starting/54-66 inch wheel base

What my group here in Florida (which is just starting) is looking at would be the best of all 3 classes.

Loose the word MINI...Lightning is in place (public sees mini as small)
Keep engines affordable (stock) motorcycle engines
Adapt rules to allow most...Chain drives and quickchange (optional)
Weights are the equalizer
RR tire compound is a equalizer
Must be self starting/drive away (tracks and spectators love this)
Series directors must take charge of engine rules and other rules that have SKYROCKETED out of hand...Shocks/tires/engine


I would like to have each and everyone that comes to Florida feel they have a shot at winning but better yet just come down out of the cold and enjoy the SUN!!

[TQ29m]

Originally Posted by backitin I think weight limits should be same for both fuels. I have both a gas and a methanol setup. Right now the car is on the gas setup. Its got keihin CR carbs on it. I like gas cuz I'm tired and lazy. The car came that way, runs perfect and I can leave the fuel in it for awhile and not worry about it like I'd have to with alcohol.

If you'll use a GOOD UPPERLUBE, like KLOTZ UPLON, you don't have to worry about the alcohol staying in the system, I've left mine over the winter, with Hilborn injection on it, and fired it off, and went racing in the spring, no problem, I even left it in the trailer one year, over the winter, with no issues, but, you need to make sure you have good alcohol, buy yourself an alcohol hydrometer, and ck every batch, BEFORE you pay for it, bad alcohol is probably 90% of the problem with it plugging up things. Bob