[DAD]

The year before that we were 3 lbs under weight at the same track with JT's new scales my driver weighs in at 225 lbs car at745 lbs. Just didn't like the ref to over the hill racers. MMSA does have a lot of experience when it comes to drivers these "over the hill gang" drivers could could teach young drivers quite a bit if they have the chance to race with them. I know that there is little you can do to these motors to make them faster without making a hand granade and I do enjoy racing with you guys as often as we can. The welcome mat is not out there for us with AMSA and right now I don't feel the need to combine groups.

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Originally Posted by Mike M 67 I just want everyone to know that Bill May has never told us not to go run with another group when the MMSA did not have a race. We have run with both groups at one time or another. Just want to see all cars on a level playing field. I would like to see all cars with motors stock out of the bike. No extra's, No changing cams, No changing valve springs, No milling heads, etc. Last Saturday at Lawrenceburg we went to watch and we saw this in hot laps. #28 car on alchohol ran 15.452 in hot laps according to track timing. #13T Stock on Gas in hot laps was 15.545 I do not know if the #28 has had any motor work done or not, but was told that the 13T was pure stock on gas.

Why does gas or alcohol matter? By the way some of you talk you would think we're running nitro. Maybe you should worry about making your own car go faster instead of worrying about what kind of fuel everyone is running.

[DAD]

Back in the day we didn't have the money for nitro, so my dad would put a few ounces of brake fluid in the fuel "STINK###". kinda of like a status symbol. If Im cheetin and you out run me you must be cheetin.

[Tony Barhorst]

I have been working with Bill May in regard to bringing the 1000 cc and 600 cc uprights running together at the Rumble In Fort Wayne Indoor Midget Races Friday, December 30, and Saturday, December 31.

Both Bill and I have heard a lot of interest in making this happen this year. We are starting the purse out with a payout of $750 to win and $150 to start with a full event with qualifying each day. Bill is working on getting sponsorship to add to the purse. It will be much easier to get that sponsorship, if we get written confirmation by sending an entry in. Let us know if you intend to enter by e-mailing Tony Barhorst at tbracefest@aol.com. I can send an entry to anyone that is interested. Spread the word among 600 cc upright owners as they will be competitive at Fort Wayne.

We want to hear feedback from fans and teams.

Thanks,
Tony Barhorst
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[George Pollock]

I agree that fuel should not make any difference. Alcohol is redily available from every sprint car team at the mini sprint races and is safe to run and handle.
Gasoline is not easy to get at the track, mosy stock cars and they run special race gas which is expensive and hard on the injection system.
Totally Box Stock Engines will never happen because racers are always looking for improvements and cannot be easily checked at the trackat tech. Stock bore/ stroke and intake system is okay, but policing more detail than that will not be
easy to control
Mini sprint racing is suppose to a step up from go karts that police engine detail to the limit.
And racers still tweak and find improvements within the rules that give them an advantage.
That is a fact and always will be part of racing.
It is more difficult for a non technical person to compete and win but that always will be part of any motor racing.
The playing field cannot be level for everyone who decides to race.
I may want to play golf but should not expect to perform like Tiger Woods.
The learning curve is steep and smart racers find ways to always be faster than those that just want to go ocassionally to have fun.

Minimize regulations on stock bore stroke engines, limit to 1000cc max., alcohol or gas at same weight. and get accurate calibrated scale system, not the joke system currently in use by AMSA.

I go racing to have fun with my family, love to get dirty and tired. Do not like all the rule debating and speculation of who is doing what to their engines or spending great amounts of money.

Racers that are good and get things figured out will win and always be up front.

Rules changes and restrictions will not change who runs up front. good racers that know the technology win and thats the way it is.

Sorry but I had to get this off after all the comments.

George Pollock

[Phylo82]

Geaorge, I have to agree with you regarding the scales.....one race we were 905, last week we were 950.

I don't care how good your scales are, if they are not level and sitting on a strong, solid surface you are not going to get an accurate reading. Wood sitting on gravel does not consititute a strong, solid surface. They need to be on black top or concrete so they can't shift when you are rolling a car onto them.

And I also agree with your take on racing, good drivers are going to run up front. It doesn't matter how good the car is, if the driver can't drive it's not going anywhere. That being said, a good driver with good equipment has a much better chance of running up front than your budget racer.

[suzuki756]

Good job at tulsa I have a young family and a job that I must be at for the end of year no way can I go wish I could and glad there are cars from here going and doing well. I am racing to have fun if I bring my car home in one piece I am happy. I have tried to make it to a few mmsa races just have been bad timing. I am sure bill would welcome us as does jerry.scales are a problem but everyone goes across the same ones if I was 3lbs light he would toss any one its the rules and so will bill.
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[DAD]

Suzuki 756 I didn't mean to come across the way I did and I apologize. If I could I would be racing midget's or sprint's but I can't so I won't. We've been in minisprints for years and do so because it's fun and we do it as a family and we can afford it. With out a doubt it is the biggest bang for the buck you are going to find if you want to race. My son couldn't race at Tulsa because of his job so I had to hire one of them hot shoes (I might add a very good one) just to make the race. WE did waste a lot of time and spend a lot of money to be at the first race for the golden driller and didn't quite do what we set out to do. This Year we will probably go to Fort Wayne and race and try something different. With the fun fest being two seperate races maybe you could make one or both of them I would like to meet you. I'm the big guy in the DAD'S MUFFLER SHIRT on.

Bill Jones

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need to change that name to maxi27

[Bradleyracing86]

Loud noises! " I heard the bears can smell the menstruation!!!!
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[Jim Gardner]

I like the 50/50 idea.

[/COLOR]And how about a 50:50 wing / non wing schedule..
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