[Chris Nunn]

If you eliminate pit passes, might as well eliminate your insurance, and run with out it

[DonMoore10]

If you're saying that with a pit pass comes track insurance, then a pit pass can be sold for a penny. I'm still wondering if you buy a pit pass and paid $30 for your services?

[Chris Nunn]

I am a paid employee of the track, you as a car owner are not an employee. Big difference

[DonMoore10]

Where can I apply to become an employee of this track. If I'm on the payroll I won't have to buy a pit pass. Maybe an expense account also, dinner at Tiffany's.

[Chris Nunn]

I dont know any track that makes their paid employees pay to get in.

[Big Willy]

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 I think my head just spun around five times on my body...........

Because I was in agreement with you or did I say something to offend you? Certainly you dont think you deserve a free ride because you paid for the equipment do you? Your attitude concerns me and you sound as if you were a "Hope and Change" voter. May I ask what Union you belong to or have retired from? If it is none of my business I apologize up front...

[DonMoore10]

All kidding aside, from what little I've been able to assemble from posts on here, it sounds like people such as the announcer, EMT's, push truck guys and gals and other numerous position people at a race track are not buying pit passes or paying an entry fee. I think it also would be safe to assume that if I stopped a sample of ten people waiting in line to buy a ticket for a night at the car races and asked them why they came to the track, I would bet they all would say to see the drivers and cars in action and the stars (drivers and car owners... sorry Big Willy) are paying the promoter to entertain these same people. This scenario is about as backwards as it gets.

Where else in the entertainment industry (except rodeos, I'm told) are the professional entertainers paying to entertain? Hmmm... I'm wondering if that headline act that just came to your local arena paid to get in.............

[Big Willy]

Mr.Moore you asked for an example of this "pay to entertain" scenario and I gave you two - NASCAR and Hooters Pro Golf Tour both of which charge an entry fee to the competitors attempting to take home the prize monies and both of whom compete at a facility that also charges the spectator to attend, so I don't believe the concept is as bass akwards as you like to shout about. Consequently both of those examples also send you packing without compensation if you fail to qualify for the main event - not even tow money...

[DonMoore10]

Last time I checked the pro golfer purses were in the millions. I don't think the NASCRAP guys are holding a sign outside Walmart begging for work either. Have you checked the best standard paying midget purse in the country lately? $750 for third place. Split that with the driver and each takes home $375. OOPS... Sorry... they both had to pay to entertain, so deduct $60-70 for pit passes and $30-40 for entry fees.

[Big Willy]

Mr. Moore you do amuse me. I don't know if you at all, so I cannot tell if you really believe some of this stuff or just let it flow off your keyboard in an attempt to entertain us here at IOW. Surely you are not comparing what local racers bring to the table with what an entertainer like Sugarland does. Surgarland and acts such as them has paid their dues and through hard work attained star status. Their name alone brings patrons in droves to the venues they play at putting them in a different category. Just as someone like Jeff Gordon making an appearance at a short track, these professionals are a marketable entity and they are paid to come and play because they bring people in. Ask 10 people in line at a Sugarland concert why they are there and all 10 will tell you to hear Sugarland. When you can ask 10 people in line to get into the pits at (enter track name here) why they are there and they all say to see Don Moore's cars then you can demand and should be comped your pit passes and probably also paid to be there!

I believe short track racing is way closer to the rodeo than it is to Sugarland...

---------- Post added at 03:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:13 PM ----------

Originally Posted by DonMoore10 Last time I checked the pro golfer purses were in the millions. I don't think the NASCRAP guys are holding a sign outside Walmart begging for work either. Have you checked the best standard paying midget purse in the country lately? $750 for third place. Split that with the driver and each takes home $375. OOPS... Sorry... they both had to pay to entertain, so deduct $60-70 for pit passes and $30-40 for entry fees.

Do yourself a favor and check out what the Hooters Tour is before you comment they dont play for millions they play for way less than that. If you miss the cut you get nothing. How much does the guy get that didn't "qualify" for a cup race for his 4K entry fee, tires, crew, fuel, etc... nothing. Also there were a bunch of people in "cup land" that lost their jobs due to economic issues so I bet some of those NASCRAP guys did hurt just a little...