[Lucky161]

[QUOTE=sc96;147576]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 You would think so. However, sc96 instead of answering some questions that he should be able to answer easily, chose not to disclose his role as a builder. That hurts his credibility. Now if he can't or won't explain why this car that looks very much like a $25K sprint car cost over 3 times that much to interested parties on this forum, what are his chances of selling a customer?[/QU You are probably the only one on here that didn't know I took over the Goldcrown cars that were previously STEALTH now called ROCK CHASSIS. IF you take the time to really look at the GC car and compare them to a sprint car you can see the differences are major. Our cars are priced a little different than the ASHMORE cars anyone who is wanting a quote on a car please send me a email and I will get it to you. rodneyweesner96@yahoo.com Also you need to look at the pricing compared to a Silvercrown car and not a sprint car Ido believe a beast sc car is around 40k so for starters lets compare apples to apples. ---------- Post added at 05:06 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 PM ---------- Yes the GC car will get drivers closer to INDY without a doubt. NO I dont hate the SC cars I own one and they are a blast to drive are they antiquated compared to a GC car YES VERY MUCH SO. The SC cars need to keep on moving forward but loosing 1 mile paved ovals is not moving forward.The GC cars have the ability to run INDY its where the GoldCrown cars need to be. ---------- Post added at 05 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 PM ---------- Yes the Silvercrown cars are precious. Yes they are antiquated.Yes they are obsolete. But I dont see that as unsupportive the SC cars will be around until the traditionalist retire sadly sooner than later. I am HONERED that I was able to AMAZE you.

Ok, I'm all for comparing apples to apples. I've got plenty of time to look at almost anything. What I don't have is anything but pictures that DO posted to compare with and those pictures looked very similar to a sprint car. Major differences? Ok, what are they? That's what I asked. True I did ask DO because he is the one that posted the pictures, but that's not really his job. He doesn't sell them or build them or own them. You do though. Feel free to step up and educate me/us whenever you would like to. Don't wait for the question to be addressed to you personally. Your cars are priced a little differently than Ashmore's? What's a little different? Is it close to what Ashmore's cars are priced at or is it close to what a new Beast SC will cost? Beast has a pretty good track record that can be verified. How about yours? Since this series is expected to run for smaller purses than SC, I don't see how you can justify a car that costs twice as much as an SC car, but you are welcome to try.

I'll say this again. I would like nothing better than to see a viable open wheeled superspeedway series and would strongly support it. I just don't think this car will do that as it's being sold. It keeps almost all of the failures of the original GC car, the main one being very over priced.

[sc96]

[QUOTE=Lucky161;147585]

Originally Posted by sc96 Ok, I'm all for comparing apples to apples. I've got plenty of time to look at almost anything. What I don't have is anything but pictures that DO posted to compare with and those pictures looked very similar to a sprint car. Major differences? Ok, what are they? That's what I asked. True I did ask DO because he is the one that posted the pictures, but that's not really his job. He doesn't sell them or build them or own them. You do though. Feel free to step up and educate me/us whenever you would like to. Don't wait for the question to be addressed to you personally. Your cars are priced a little differently than Ashmore's? What's a little different? Is it close to what Ashmore's cars are priced at or is it close to what a new Beast SC will cost? Beast has a pretty good track record that can be verified. How about yours? Since this series is expected to run for smaller purses than SC, I don't see how you can justify a car that costs twice as much as an SC car, but you are welcome to try. I'll say this again. I would like nothing better than to see a viable open wheeled super speedway series and would strongly support it. I just don't think this car will do that as it's being sold. It keeps almost all of the failures of the original GC car, the main one being very over priced.

Our cars are priced closer to a SilverCrown car. The main differences in well it is easier to say what is the same as a sc car. The steering gear,break calipers, break rotors,clutch assembly. As for a track record we are new so that has to be built the original designer of the stealth car as well as other key personnel are still involved. The testing that has been done has been very positive. As for purses that I cant answer we are not that far along. Asfor some differences the GC car has a completely different fuel cell it sits directly above the rear end everything that sticks behind the rear axle is crush panel that is a major safety advancement over the silvercrowm. The car is built on a center line meaning 0 offset. Our car is also built with double shear points this will help prevent things like radius rods from being shoved into the driver compartment. The frame is much wider giving the driver more room and keeping him or her away from the wall in a side impact.Everything on the car is bigger and stronger to handle the stress of super speedways. If anyone has any suspecific questions I will answer as best as I can.

[Lucky161]

[QUOTE=sc96;147587]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 Our cars are priced closer to a SilverCrown car. The main differences in well it is easier to say what is the same as a sc car. The steering gear,break calipers, break rotors,clutch assembly. As for a track record we are new so that has to be built the original designer of the stealth car as well as other key personnel are still involved. The testing that has been done has been very positive. As for purses that I cant answer we are not that far along. Asfor some differences the GC car has a completely different fuel cell it sits directly above the rear end everything that sticks behind the rear axle is crush panel that is a major safety advancement over the silvercrowm. The car is built on a center line meaning 0 offset. Our car is also built with double shear points this will help prevent things like radius rods from being shoved into the driver compartment. The frame is much wider giving the driver more room and keeping him or her away from the wall in a side impact.Everything on the car is bigger and stronger to handle the stress of super speedways. If anyone has any suspecific questions I will answer as best as I can.

Ok, so you aren't going to tell us how much this car cost. I don't know how to ask a question that is more specific than that, so I'll move on.

This goal of getting drivers to the IRL and to nascar is not very well thought out. nascar has shown that they will hire drivers almost any kind of racing experience. The IRL on the other hand will only "hire" drivers with money in hand, regardless of their experience and talent. Even Tony George does not hire oval track drivers with the exception of his stepson. And as for the original IRL "vision" he has come out on record saying that his goal all along was to have a series that was like
CART. So much for the short track/oval track American driver connection. AJ Foyt, a hero to many of us hires foreign road racing ride buyers almost exlusively now.

The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

[FishBurger]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Thank you Lucky, very well said. And, FWIW, I could not agree more.

[quicktime3]

[QUOTE=Lucky161;147659]

Originally Posted by sc96 The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Best thing that's come up in all these pages of responses!!

And does anyone else love to see DWB and USAC Fan going at it? I think this may be the first argument on IOW where nobody is cheering for either guy to win...

[QUOTE=quicktime3;147707]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 Best thing that's come up in all these pages of responses!! And does anyone else love to see DWB and USAC Fan going at it? I think this may be the first argument on IOW where nobody is cheering for either guy to win...

LOL, the DWB's minions need not be named to know they exist.

No one is cheering because there is no argument.

[sc96]

[QUOTE=Lucky161;147659]

Originally Posted by sc96 Ok, so you aren't going to tell us how much this car cost. I don't know how to ask a question that is more specific than that, so I'll move on. This goal of getting drivers to the IRL and to nascar is not very well thought out. nascar has shown that they will hire drivers almost any kind of racing experience. The IRL on the other hand will only "hire" drivers with money in hand, regardless of their experience and talent. Even Tony George does not hire oval track drivers with the exception of his stepson. And as for the original IRL "vision" he has come out on record saying that his goal all along was to have a series that was like CART. So much for the short track/oval track American driver connection. AJ Foyt, a hero to many of us hires foreign road racing ride buyers almost exlusively now. The owners of the cars in the IRL are road racers. They aren't interested in oval track drivers. They never have been and never will be. The series is dropping oval tracks and adding road races every year. The IRL already has a feeder system that they don't use to hire drivers. It features rear engined formula cars. If they won't hire the drivers from their own feeder series with similar cars to the Indycars why would anyone think they would be interested in hiring drivers of front engined cars? It should not be the goal of this series or any other series to provide drivers for the IRL or nascar.

Exact cost depends on what you want. You can spend around 50k or as muck as 90k depends on how you want to package a car. But you could be in a GC car ready for your motor at 50k. AS for a feeder series to IRL or NASCAR Bruce is more able to answer that I for one would be happy to see the GC cars as a series that puts sprint and midget guys on larger tracks in front of NASCAR size crowds. Then as time goes see this series be a destination and not so much a feeder to any other series but only time will tell that.

[miledirt]

[QUOTE=sc96;147740]

Originally Posted by Lucky161 Exact cost depends on what you want. You can spend around 50k or as muck as 90k depends on how you want to package a car. But you could be in a GC car ready for your motor at 50k. AS for a feeder series to IRL or NASCAR Bruce is more able to answer that I for one would be happy to see the GC cars as a series that puts sprint and midget guys on larger tracks in front of NASCAR size crowds. Then as time goes see this series be a destination and not so much a feeder to any other series but only time will tell that.

I don't care if it becomes a feeder series or not. I'm just looking for the day when I go to Terre Haute on Friday night and see 40 USAC sprint cars, then down to DuQuoin on Saturday Night to see about 40 of those same guys in USAC Silver Crown cars, then on to a Kentucky or Chicago the following day for a one day show of about 25 of those same guys in the new Gold Crown cars. They could qualify and race the same day, maybe packaged with ARCA? I would go to that.

[Need For Speed]

Anyone that thinks these 'Gold Crown' cars are ever going to run at The Speedway, or that any oval track/dirt track drivers are going to get to The Speedway because they drove these 'Gold Crown' cars ......needs their head examined!

[Lucky161]

[QUOTE=miledirt;147742]

Originally Posted by sc96 I don't care if it becomes a feeder series or not. I'm just looking for the day when I go to Terre Haute on Friday night and see 40 USAC sprint cars, then down to DuQuoin on Saturday Night to see about 40 of those same guys in USAC Silver Crown cars, then on to a Kentucky or Chicago the following day for a one day show of about 25 of those same guys in the new Gold Crown cars. They could qualify and race the same day, maybe packaged with ARCA? I would go to that.

I'd be ok with all of that except the 25 of the GC on a superspeedway. I expect them to start at least 30 and preferably 40 on a superspeedway. I can see 20-25 cars at the local 1/4 mile.