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Larryoracing (Offline)
  #31 4/10/08 4:31 PM
"My opinion is that if it's illegal according to the govt. then it's illegal. No gray area."

Let's make it a little clearer and easier to understand.

If God tells you not to do something then don't do it.


Dale Earnhardt once said "Life is pretty simple when you think about it".

Let's make it simple.

Sincerely,

Larry Otani
psullivan
  #32 4/10/08 6:57 PM
All,

He didn't get off - he got ordered to treatment. These same decisions are made in courtrooms everyday - if we sent every single person who broke the law for things like DUI or DWI (where people drive cars and endanger lifes) our prisions, which are already bursting at the seams and costing you a lot of money, would be even more over-run followed by calls for more and more money, to build more and more prisions and jails. And as for prision being a place where rehab occurs in cases like this - forget it. Here is a chance for a very young person to reclaim his life - and instead of being a drain on society, to be a contributor. Many people, and I daresay some on this board, have made mistakes, and sometimes these mistakes pile on top of another and suddenly you are in a place you never imagined - it happens to perfectly good people. One reason people get in trouble with drugs is that for a long time they can maintain the facade of a perfectly normal life --- after all - you do Herion and run 5th in a race - what's the problem? Well suddenly you have to do drugs in the parking lot of an amusement park -- Let 's remember the most important thing he said "getting arrested saved my life" He has a very hard fight in front of him - and one that he may not win.
Millsvideo
  #33 4/10/08 7:15 PM
Originally Posted by Beer Goggles:
I tend to be a hardliner when it comes to illegal drugs.::EDIT:: The kids are laughing behind our backs.
It's not just the kids laughing at you. But, at least I am not doing it behind your back.

I have a real problem with people who abuse alcohol on a regular basis (or even embrace the very idea of it with witty little sayings like "beer goggles") but stand on their moral high ground when it comes to so-called "drugs". Alcohol is a drug, people. You can rationalize that fact away all you like, but it still has the same affects on your brain as any other "drug". The fact that alcohol is so widely embraced by our nation is and always will be disturbing to me.

Being the son of an abusive, alcoholic stepfather, I never touched a drop of alcohol until I was 35. Never once. And even now, I never get stupid drunk. Occasionally, I will allow myself to get a little "altered", but only in contolled circumstances, and when I will not be a hazard to society. But, that's just me...

DM
michiganmadman (Offline)
  #34 4/10/08 7:52 PM
DM[/QUOTE]
The fact that alcohol is so widely embraced by our nation is and always will be disturbing to me.


Alcohol is embraced simply because the government collects taxes on alcohol sales and apparently alot of politicians like to drink it.

When I read this article about Fike, my stomach sank to my feet. There were 30-some other drivers every week on the same track with someone who was hopped up on heroin. That is scary. It makes me wonder how frequently it happens at local short tracks. I have personally witnessed a driver drinking beer in the stands one night before a feature race. I may have said something, but I actually worked with the guy and he was very tight with the boss. I lost alot of respect for him that night.

I do wish those drivers who are trying to get back on track the best of luck in changing their ways.
Jerry Shaw (Offline)
  #35 4/10/08 8:12 PM
Here are a couple of drivers that after the hammer fell the last time, for them, I wouldn't have given you a nickel for what was left of their racing careers. But one (Hmeil) chose to seek the help, in the pits, from some people with unquestionable character. The inverse of guilt by association. The other (Fike) chose to offer up information that couldn't possibly be considered helpful to him. Perhaps self-inflicting a "rock bottom" on himself that NASCAR and the ******** justice system didn't.

The jury's still out on both, but each has chosen a first step that wasn't the easiest path. Each chose fessing up and trying to prove themselves over the typical "It's a disease, I'm a victim" mentality. I wish both success.

Jerry

A man is about as big as the things that make him angry.

Winston Churchill
smbpreformance (Offline)
  #36 4/10/08 8:36 PM
Originally Posted by Jerry Shaw:
each has chosen a first step that wasn't the easiest path. Each chose fessing up and trying to prove themselves over the typical "It's a disease, I'm a victim" mentality. I wish both success.

Jerry
Jerry is exactly right openly admitting you have a problem no matter what the personal cost is one of the steps in any 12 step program. I think Fike is trying to make things right and wish him all the best in his struggles.
smbpreformance (Offline)
  #37 4/10/08 10:03 PM
Change is a comming

http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/head...ing/index.html


Johnson when told about Fike using on race days:
"I cannot believe it. That is absurd," added reigning Cup champion Jimmie Johnson. "I don't know what this means, where things go from here. But I'm so happy they figured out what was going on and got him off the track. That is absolutely unacceptable."

I guess the "They" he is talking about it the Kings Island security force
Wow typical NASCAR talking head that walks the NASCAR line and says what ever the guy that is pulling the strings wants him to say




from Kevin Harvick
"We haven't made any headway whatsoever on the drug testing policy. In the 10 years that I've raced, I've never been drug tested. So to me, that is not a proper professional sports drug policy and I went up and talked to them about it. They were more mad that I had a reaction to the situation than they were as far as trying to move forward. To me, it was just kind of one of those meetings where they were content to listen to what I had to say and that was about it. My name is not Jeff Gordon."

I am starting to like that guy
Beer Goggles (Offline)
  #38 4/10/08 11:13 PM
Mills,
You don't know me or my habits, so your comments to me are meaningless.
Case closed.
Millsvideo
  #39 4/10/08 11:14 PM
michiganmadman:

"Alcohol is embraced simply because the government collects taxes on alcohol sales and apparently alot of politicians like to drink it."

You are absolutely correct. A first draft of the post you are responding to had that very fact in it, but I decided I was getting off the subject at hand. My disbelief concerning a certain someone's hypocritical stance in which they are seen embracing alcohol abuse while persecuting a known "drug abuser" was the point.

Jerry Shaw wrote:

"
But one (Hmeil) chose to seek the help, in the pits, from some people with unquestionable character. The inverse of guilt by association. The other (Fike) chose to offer up information that couldn't possibly be considered helpful to him. Perhaps self-inflicting a "rock bottom" on himself that NASCAR and the ******** justice system didn't.

The jury's still out on both, but each has chosen a first step that wasn't the easiest path. Each chose fessing up and trying to prove themselves over the typical "It's a disease, I'm a victim" mentality. I wish both success."

Again, I couldn't agree more. Some may see Fike's decision to "out himself" as one in which he is mocking people as if to say, "hee, hee...I got away with it". But, in all actuality, he didn't have to bring this information to light, and actually confirm what we all feared might be the case. Why would he do such a thing? It's simple. He's clearly hoping some good can come from it. I commend him on his decision to do so, and hope that he truly has put his drug use behind him for good.

DM
Heromaker (Offline)
  #40 4/10/08 11:24 PM
For those of you that are saying the Aaron is telling this story to laugh in the face of society should also think about the fact that maybe he is doing it to get it all out and be able to start over on a clen slate.

Now I am not justifying what he did (god knows I lost a lot of respect for him when this happened) but I am here to let him try to right th ship in his life
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