[LEADERS EDGE]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE YOU DON'T GET IT! GET RID OF THE 410 HIGH DOLLAR ENGINE THAT YOU RACING FOR $1000 TO $1500 IN IND. AND RACE A ENGINE FOR $5600 A YEAR! NOT TWO CLASS'S ONE COST SAVING CLASS WITH OVER 700 HORSE POWER!:redflag:

I do get it. If I own a current motor, I will now have to find a buyer in a down market. I lose quite a bit of money and now I am stuck with an engine platform that if it breaks, I will have to depend on Chevy to get it back to me before the next race. It won't just cost $5,600 if it breaks. No way Chevy wouldn't have me pay to repair the motor or switch it out. Something I could have fixed myself is now something I have to pay someone else to fix and wait on them to get it back to me.

As far as the Toyota thing, I'm sure they will have motors, but their effect on the local scene will be minimal, just like MoPar. The Indiana deal is self governing and self leveling.

I say that if it is good then let it run as another alternative, but making it mandatory is a bad situation. The reason I said if it was a 410 it would be better is because if they built a 410 motor for about $15,000 that made good horsepower then you could just phase out the other motors and it would self govern.

Everyone keeps saying that we need to get rid of the $40,000 motor. Why not just but it two years from now when it is a $17,000 or 4 years from now when it is a $13-14,000? There are very few guys in Indiana buying new motors every year and even fewer spending
$40,000.

By the way, no tracks in Indiana go strictly by USAC'S rules.

[Rex W.]

The WoO have said no Toyotas & no to the new Chevys

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by leaders edge i do get it. If i own a current motor, i will now have to find a buyer in a down market. I lose quite a bit of money and now i am stuck with an engine platform that if it breaks, i will have to depend on chevy to get it back to me before the next race. It won't just cost $5,600 if it breaks. No way chevy wouldn't have me pay to repair the motor or switch it out. Something i could have fixed myself is now something i have to pay someone else to fix and wait on them to get it back to me. As far as the toyota thing, i'm sure they will have motors, but their effect on the local scene will be minimal, just like mopar. The indiana deal is self governing and self leveling. I say that if it is good then let it run as another alternative, but making it mandatory is a bad situation. The reason i said if it was a 410 it would be better is because if they built a 410 motor for about $15,000 that made good horsepower then you could just phase out the other motors and it would self govern. Everyone keeps saying that we need to get rid of the $40,000 motor. Why not just but it two years from now when it is a $17,000 or 4 years from now when it is a $13-14,000? There are very few guys in indiana buying new motors every year and even fewer spending $40,000. By the way, no tracks in indiana go strictly by usac's rules.

do you own a sprint car?

[throb]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE CALL TOMMY HUNT I CA. CHEVY WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ENGINE!:checkered: THERE IS MORE 360CI. THEN 410 IN THE USA! WHY DO YOU THINK YOU NEED A 410 WITH OUT A WING?

is this who to contact about these engines? if so can you pm with info??? thanks..

[4wheelsinthekoosh]

Starting with the motors from a drivers stand point. Going from 850hp to 700hp. is going to be like kissing your sister. From a owners, why would i want to own one of those motors when i have two 410's. And now the Shocks. Wouldnt you rather own 1 shock for the left rear or 4 to 5 different shocks. That is just one corner for the car. Having 8 adj shocks 4 for the car and 4 for spares. Compared to 16 min for std shocks. Not everyone was meant to race a sprint car. And our sport that we all love so much costs money. Lots of money. Oh and if you cut the rear tire width we can still build cars that go just as fast and use 900 horses. You and never have enough motor.

[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by Bill Gardner Here's my opinion... the idea about cutting costs in racing is great, but... let's face it... RACING is expensive. You will never change that, no matter what is done. It is pretty simple really... those that have it($$$)... Will spend it. Those that don't... Will lose the house.

OK TAKE A LOOK AT HOW MANY SPRINT CAR OWNERS HAVE HIRED DRIVERS! MOST CARS ARE FAMILY OWNED AND DRIVIN BY THERE KIDS! LOOK AT THE FOX BROTHERS THE HAVE WON A LOT OF RACES IN IND. AND LOSING MONEY EVERY TIME! IF THE SPEED DON'T KILL YOU THE COST OF THE PARTS WILL!!!!!!!!!!!:checkered:

[DonRacer]

Originally Posted by leaders edge i do get it. If i own a current motor, i will now have to find a buyer in a down market. I lose quite a bit of money and now i am stuck with an engine platform that if it breaks, i will have to depend on chevy to get it back to me before the next race. It won't just cost $5,600 if it breaks. No way chevy wouldn't have me pay to repair the motor or switch it out. Something i could have fixed myself is now something i have to pay someone else to fix and wait on them to get it back to me. As far as the toyota thing, i'm sure they will have motors, but their effect on the local scene will be minimal, just like mopar. The indiana deal is self governing and self leveling. I say that if it is good then let it run as another alternative, but making it mandatory is a bad situation. The reason i said if it was a 410 it would be better is because if they built a 410 motor for about $15,000 that made good horsepower then you could just phase out the other motors and it would self govern. Everyone keeps saying that we need to get rid of the $40,000 motor. Why not just but it two years from now when it is a $17,000 or 4 years from now when it is a $13-14,000? There are very few guys in indiana buying new motors every year and even fewer spending $40,000. By the way, no tracks in indiana go strictly by usac's rules.

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[SUPERDUKE]

Originally Posted by LEADERS EDGE I do get it. If I own a current motor, I will now have to find a buyer in a down market. I lose quite a bit of money and now I am stuck with an engine platform that if it breaks, I will have to depend on Chevy to get it back to me before the next race. It won't just cost $5,600 if it breaks. No way Chevy wouldn't have me pay to repair the motor or switch it out. Something I could have fixed myself is now something I have to pay someone else to fix and wait on them to get it back to me. As far as the Toyota thing, I'm sure they will have motors, but their effect on the local scene will be minimal, just like MoPar. The Indiana deal is self governing and self leveling. I say that if it is good then let it run as another alternative, but making it mandatory is a bad situation. The reason I said if it was a 410 it would be better is because if they built a 410 motor for about $15,000 that made good horsepower then you could just phase out the other motors and it would self govern. Everyone keeps saying that we need to get rid of the $40,000 motor. Why not just but it two years from now when it is a $17,000 or 4 years from now when it is a $13-14,000? There are very few guys in Indiana buying new motors every year and even fewer spending $40,000. By the way, no tracks in Indiana go strictly by USAC'S rules.

WHAT TRACKS IN IND. HAS A ENGINE RULE?:checkered:

[DonRacer]

Originally Posted by Charles Nungester I made no mention of wings Don but my preference is non winged. Been quite awhile since I seen a 360 winged race. Then they were even more uneventful and less passing than the 410. I could however see em winged and I believe ASCS has a lot of success with some strict rules on cost I just remember a lot of guys with not a lot of money running sprints. This is becoming rarer and rarer. If you could put on damn good shows in this class with 10.000 dollar motors, Why should you have to have 40+ grand in one to run up front?. Taking the bite out is the only even way to control motor cost. If that 900hp engine can't get you around any faster than a 750hp then why spend all the extra? Drivers, setups and noise are what make this sport. I don't care if you got a 700 CI engine or a 250 CI if it is exciting and in some cases people being hooked up and haulin is becoming as boring as their winged counterparts. What makes a show non boring to me? Passing and running three wide not a car winning by half a lap even though they earned it fair and square Chuck

Charles,

Please reread, I said Wimps not Wings

Thanks,
Don

[Rex W.]

Originally Posted by SUPERDUKE WHAT TRACKS IN IND. HAS A ENGINE RULE?:checkered:

Here are Bloomington & Kokomos engine rules lol

-No overhead cam type motors will be allowed. Only those cylinder heads having no more than one exhaust and one intake valve per cylinder will be allowed.