Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race

SUPERDUKE · 7/22/08, 3:25 PM

:applaud:

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Originally Posted by Knoke77

I'll give you another reason why the current starting process is flawed. Say you are sitting about three rows deep in the field coming through 3 and 4 for the start. Not only are you trying to watch for the flagman to wave the green but your trying to keep from beating the rear bumper off the car in front of you plus the guy running next to you. This method I think came from the flagmans North Vernon days.

Honestly in the 3 L-Burg races I have been to this year I've seen more miscues on starts then should be happening. These guys are trying to anticipate what the flagman is going to do and it causes nothing more than beat up bumpers and accordian affects on the guys in the middle and back.

USAC has a pretty good system where you have two cones. When you get to the first cone you increase your speed slightly and when you hit the second cone it's game on. No passing until you get past the second cone. If you take off before you get to the second cone you get one more shot and then go backwards. If the flagman likes the pass the polesitter is setting and sees that he started the race at the appropriate spot then he waves the green. If the start is jumped by the pole or outside pole guy then he throws the yellow after the first corner.

Everyone complains about how late programs are running so if you want the best of both worlds you need to put a system in place where the leader gets to a designated cone and can take off. The guys in back know where it is and they know that they can't pass the guy in front of them until they are past that so there is no guessing which leads to bumper tag.

<Puts on his helmet and awaits SUPERDUKES tirade about the way things used to be>

WRONG THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE!

slide22 · 7/22/08, 5:31 PM

i think Superduke is one of those fans who just likes to see torn up racecars and big wrecks. Because thats all the current system is doing. L-burg, be like all of the other million dirt tracks and start coming off of 4

ThaBurgFan · 7/22/08, 5:45 PM

I think Superduke has never drove a race car either. I agree with Chuck, sorry some people see this as complaining rather than realizing it has been a problem and will continue to be. When the drivers repeatedly say that they can't see the flagman and cars in front of them, it seems concerning. Hopefully they have brought this up in the driver's meeting before. Just want to see the best racing possible at the 'Burg.

Shane

Phylo82 · 7/22/08, 7:55 PM

Hopefully it will be brought up at the drivers meeting this week.

I can't speak for other classes.....I don't know much about those cars. But I can speak for the vision you have in a winged mini-sprint like the ones that are run in the AMSA. You have about zero vision looking up out of a winged mini-sprint because the wing is in the way.

Under the current conditions you are expecting drivers back in the field, that are buckled in tight, to try to find the green flag on the flag stand while watching the car in front of them at the same time, while coming off the high banking of turn 4.

Not an easy thing to do.....especially when the field is checking up in front of them because the leaders are break checking to avoid jumping the start.

SUPERDUKE · 7/22/08, 8:39 PM

:redflag:

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Originally Posted by Phylo82

Hopefully it will be brought up at the drivers meeting this week.

I can't speak for other classes.....I don't know much about those cars. But I can speak for the vision you have in a winged mini-sprint like the ones that are run in the AMSA. You have about zero vision looking up out of a winged mini-sprint because the wing is in the way.

Under the current conditions you are expecting drivers back in the field, that are buckled in tight, to try to find the green flag on the flag stand while watching the car in front of them at the same time, while coming off the high banking of turn 4.

Not an easy thing to do.....especially when the field is checking up in front of them because the leaders are break checking to avoid jumping the start.

TAKE THE WING OFF AND GO RACING!:redflag:

SUPERDUKE · 7/22/08, 8:41 PM

[QUOTE=ThaBurgFan;53390]I think Superduke has never drove a race car either. I agree with Chuck, sorry some people see this as complaining rather than realizing it has been a problem and will continue to be. When the drivers repeatedly say that they can't see the flagman and cars in front of them, it seems concerning. Hopefully they have brought this up in the driver's meeting before. Just want to see the best racing possible at the 'Burg.

Shane[/ CAN YOU FIND YOUR WAY HOME?:applaud:

SUPERDUKE · 7/22/08, 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by slide22

i think Superduke is one of those fans who just likes to see torn up racecars and big wrecks. Because thats all the current system is doing. L-burg, be like all of the other million dirt tracks and start coming off of 4

I'AM REALLY NOT A FAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:applaud:

ThaBurgFan · 7/22/08, 9:01 PM

Superduke,

your are assuming that I have a home. lol In all seriousness, I am with Phil on this one and just think this is worth addressing.

Trying to find my way home,

Shane

zeroracer · 7/22/08, 9:46 PM

Honestly i dont think i have ever seen cars stay double file passed the line then start racing....EVER... I seriously hope that was a joke...

but any who I think jake explained it better than i could have

SpfldMile · 7/22/08, 10:43 PM

Superduke, if a guys car chokes a little when he hits the gas, then no one can pass him till the start line, I don't agree. You also mentioned NASCAR starts, it makes a big difference on a superspeedway when there is a big straight before the line. It's not an argument, just an opinion. And Duke, I know you raced, I saw you. Although I never saw the Springfield mile be very kind to you.

7/22/08, 7:55 PM	#34 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
Phylo82 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,055	Hopefully it will be brought up at the drivers meeting this week. I can't speak for other classes.....I don't know much about those cars. But I can speak for the vision you have in a winged mini-sprint like the ones that are run in the AMSA. You have about zero vision looking up out of a winged mini-sprint because the wing is in the way. Under the current conditions you are expecting drivers back in the field, that are buckled in tight, to try to find the green flag on the flag stand while watching the car in front of them at the same time, while coming off the high banking of turn 4. Not an easy thing to do.....especially when the field is checking up in front of them because the leaders are break checking to avoid jumping the start. __________________ Phil Heil #13e Maxim Sprint Owner, Crew Chief, Pit Crew, Hauler, Check Writer, Grunt

7/22/08, 5:31 PM	#32 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
slide22 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 350	i think Superduke is one of those fans who just likes to see torn up racecars and big wrecks. Because thats all the current system is doing. L-burg, be like all of the other million dirt tracks and start coming off of 4

7/22/08, 5:45 PM	#33 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
ThaBurgFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 177	I think Superduke has never drove a race car either. I agree with Chuck, sorry some people see this as complaining rather than realizing it has been a problem and will continue to be. When the drivers repeatedly say that they can't see the flagman and cars in front of them, it seems concerning. Hopefully they have brought this up in the driver's meeting before. Just want to see the best racing possible at the 'Burg. Shane

7/22/08, 8:41 PM	#36 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
SUPERDUKE Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,256	[QUOTE=ThaBurgFan;53390]I think Superduke has never drove a race car either. I agree with Chuck, sorry some people see this as complaining rather than realizing it has been a problem and will continue to be. When the drivers repeatedly say that they can't see the flagman and cars in front of them, it seems concerning. Hopefully they have brought this up in the driver's meeting before. Just want to see the best racing possible at the 'Burg. Shane[/ CAN YOU FIND YOUR WAY HOME?:applaud:

7/22/08, 9:01 PM	#38 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
ThaBurgFan Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 177	Superduke, your are assuming that I have a home. lol In all seriousness, I am with Phil on this one and just think this is worth addressing. Trying to find my way home, Shane

7/22/08, 9:46 PM	#39 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
zeroracer Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 251	Honestly i dont think i have ever seen cars stay double file passed the line then start racing....EVER... I seriously hope that was a joke... but any who I think jake explained it better than i could have

7/22/08, 10:43 PM	#40 Re: Lawrenceburg - Flagman Starting the Race
SpfldMile Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,345	Superduke, if a guys car chokes a little when he hits the gas, then no one can pass him till the start line, I don't agree. You also mentioned NASCAR starts, it makes a big difference on a superspeedway when there is a big straight before the line. It's not an argument, just an opinion. And Duke, I know you raced, I saw you. Although I never saw the Springfield mile be very kind to you.