Bmw s1000rr engine

DAD · 3/19/15, 10:42 AM

Andy

I for one am for letting the TQ's race with us if they wish, they are in a time of flux right now. The old 750 Honda's are drying up and they are in search of a new power plant. They are stuck between a newer design MC motor that they can't get geared low enough without resorting to the little bitty micro wheels and tires or a Briggs and Stratton Vanguard Motor. They kind of boxed them selves in a hole thinking back 40 years ago that no one would ever produce a motor that needed to be run at 15,000 RPM's to make any power and outlawed any kind of gear reduction. So now they are going to have to take an antique U-Joint that wasn't designed to run 8000 rpm's and spin it up to 15000 rpm's. Should be interesting. I suggested switching to a slower revving 1000 cc motor and they almost had a heart attack.

Reminds me about our argument about the BMW motor? What the heck did you say in the above post and has Mark been reading any more magazine articles about how powerful the BMW and New Kawasaki was supposed to be and had another hissy fit.

To me it looks like the automotive motors will be most viable and the cheapest way to go racing, and will save us a whole lot of sweat in the pits changing gears. As far as the 2 year deal goes been there done that>>>even the most enlightened of us can't tell one from the other and them numbers on the back don't help a bit.

Like old Rodney King once said can't we just all try to get along? We are all addicted to the same drug>>>>we all for the most part want to and some of us have to do it on the cheap. Rules cost money!!!!! We have three classes of race cars TQ's being the oldest>>Mini Sprint being second oldest>>>and the stock block Automotive Midget being the youngest. There is not 10 cents worth of difference between them all. TQ's have kept growing over the years using Midget components and wheels and tires until they are more like 7/8th Midgets. The Mini and Automotive started out midgets...Why not consolidate and make it easier on all of us. It doesn't have to happen over night. Race cars have a very high attrition rate>>>when this old Kaw of ours goes and it will and if our new old Kaw that we have laid up is outlawed we will probably retire or get an Eco tec and race up north.

Honest Dad himself

TQ29m · 3/19/15, 11:08 AM

DAD, ya ever think ya might be outa your wheelhouse? There is no shortage of the CB750 donor motors, they only built over 3 million of them, people just don't know where to look! As far as TQs being in a state of flux, isn't everything, including racing, no matter what you are looking at, give it a rest, not everyone wants what you are trying to sell, way it goes! Bob

DAD · 3/19/15, 12:42 PM

Bob

You might call me one of them "Young Modern Progressive" type people....We believe if you say something loud enough and long enough people will bight just to shut you up and if you stone wall long enough they will have forgotten the Question.

Seems like no matter how hard we try we always end up back talking about Three Quarter Midgets>>>>I have no idea what a TQ has in common with a 1000rr BMW motor.

Honest Dad himself

DAD · 3/19/15, 1:15 PM

Tranny

The MMSA has their pay out posted with their rules>>>I couldn't find a pay out for the TQ's could you help me out and direct me to them. I know a guy that messes with a lot of TQ's and heck we might decide to switch if the money is that much better. You know what they say "Money Talks ect ect"

Honest Dad himself

Andrew S. Quinn · 3/19/15, 2:36 PM

http://www.mtqrl.com/rules/2015%20-%...e%20Payout.pdf

TQ29m · 3/19/15, 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAD

Bob

You might call me one of them "Young Modern Progressive" type people....We believe if you say something loud enough and long enough people will bight just to shut you up and if you stone wall long enough they will have forgotten the Question.

Seems like no matter how hard we try we always end up back talking about Three Quarter Midgets>>>>I have no idea what a TQ has in common with a 1000rr BMW motor.

Honest Dad himself

DAD, I don't either, but you seem hell bent and whiskey bound, to put TQ's down every chance you get, are you that sorry you don't have one? I'm not! Bob

DAD · 3/19/15, 4:51 PM

Andrew

Thanks for the info.

Bob

My comments are only for discussion>>>What if we did this what would happen? What if we did that would it be any different? Well we have done it this way for forty years why change. I do not want change for the sake of change>>>But some change ever so often is nice>>>you are the guy working on Yamaha's as an alternative to the Honda. It sounds like a great idea to me, but during your development time motor design has changed again, I do not see anything wrong with that either. I am also for moving on as designs change. I bought a 1969 750 Honda Motorcycle in 1970, the serial number on the frame was like 650 something, it had broke a chain and threw it through the block. I repaired it and it was the fastest motorcycle around for a year or two. But I think Kawasaki or Yamaha came out with something bigger and faster, that is the way things work.

This topic started out about the fear several racers felt about the then new BMW 1000cc motor being used and it making them uncompetitive:::SO>WHAT life goes on. To ban it from competition would be what country's call protectionism. That word "SUCKS" if we had protectionism in Medicine you and me would both be 6 feet under. The only thing it is good for is the halt of invention. When we stop learning or getting better we start Dying from decay within.

I do not intend to bash TQ's or any other class of racing, all of them have merit. I throw stuff out and people respond>>>>I like that >>>>It keeps both me and them thinking and thinking is a good thing. I gave a friend of mine a link to a song that I guess I have always carried around in my head here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPTweZ2_fI

Just keep buttin your head
Honest Dad himself

TQ29m · 3/19/15, 6:52 PM

As usual, you have your mouth open, and your mind closed, out of your wheelhouse yet again, the Yamaha motor I'm using, is in the 600cc bike on the dealers floors today, they are the longest stroke 600's being produced today! They currently build 2, 600cc bikes, the 600R, and the 600R6, the R6 is the high winding version, the 600R being the torqer, that I use. Bob

DAD · 3/19/15, 7:47 PM

Bob

No argument here>>>>>What are your feelings about making the BMW 1000rr motor legal to race?

Honest Dad himself

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF600R

TQ29m · 3/19/15, 9:00 PM

I'm staying in my wheelhouse, that wikipedia page has a disclaimer on it, not current I believe! Bob

3/19/15, 10:42 AM	#31 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Andy I for one am for letting the TQ's race with us if they wish, they are in a time of flux right now. The old 750 Honda's are drying up and they are in search of a new power plant. They are stuck between a newer design MC motor that they can't get geared low enough without resorting to the little bitty micro wheels and tires or a Briggs and Stratton Vanguard Motor. They kind of boxed them selves in a hole thinking back 40 years ago that no one would ever produce a motor that needed to be run at 15,000 RPM's to make any power and outlawed any kind of gear reduction. So now they are going to have to take an antique U-Joint that wasn't designed to run 8000 rpm's and spin it up to 15000 rpm's. Should be interesting. I suggested switching to a slower revving 1000 cc motor and they almost had a heart attack. Reminds me about our argument about the BMW motor? What the heck did you say in the above post and has Mark been reading any more magazine articles about how powerful the BMW and New Kawasaki was supposed to be and had another hissy fit. To me it looks like the automotive motors will be most viable and the cheapest way to go racing, and will save us a whole lot of sweat in the pits changing gears. As far as the 2 year deal goes been there done that>>>even the most enlightened of us can't tell one from the other and them numbers on the back don't help a bit. Like old Rodney King once said can't we just all try to get along? We are all addicted to the same drug>>>>we all for the most part want to and some of us have to do it on the cheap. Rules cost money!!!!! We have three classes of race cars TQ's being the oldest>>Mini Sprint being second oldest>>>and the stock block Automotive Midget being the youngest. There is not 10 cents worth of difference between them all. TQ's have kept growing over the years using Midget components and wheels and tires until they are more like 7/8th Midgets. The Mini and Automotive started out midgets...Why not consolidate and make it easier on all of us. It doesn't have to happen over night. Race cars have a very high attrition rate>>>when this old Kaw of ours goes and it will and if our new old Kaw that we have laid up is outlawed we will probably retire or get an Eco tec and race up north. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 3/19/15 at 10:46 AM.

3/19/15, 12:42 PM	#33 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Bob You might call me one of them "Young Modern Progressive" type people....We believe if you say something loud enough and long enough people will bight just to shut you up and if you stone wall long enough they will have forgotten the Question. Seems like no matter how hard we try we always end up back talking about Three Quarter Midgets>>>>I have no idea what a TQ has in common with a 1000rr BMW motor. Honest Dad himself _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 3/19/15 at 12:47 PM.

3/19/15, 7:47 PM	#39 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Bob No argument here>>>>>What are your feelings about making the BMW 1000rr motor legal to race? Honest Dad himself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_YZF600R _________________________________________________ Last edited by DAD; 3/19/15 at 8:02 PM.

3/19/15, 9:00 PM	#40
TQ29m Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,581	I'm staying in my wheelhouse, that wikipedia page has a disclaimer on it, not current I believe! Bob __________________ "Being old, isn't half as much fun, as getting there"! Ole Robert I!

3/19/15, 1:15 PM	#34 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Tranny The MMSA has their pay out posted with their rules>>>I couldn't find a pay out for the TQ's could you help me out and direct me to them. I know a guy that messes with a lot of TQ's and heck we might decide to switch if the money is that much better. You know what they say "Money Talks ect ect" Honest Dad himself

3/19/15, 4:51 PM	#37 Re: Bmw s1000rr engine
DAD Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 5,957	Andrew Thanks for the info. Bob My comments are only for discussion>>>What if we did this what would happen? What if we did that would it be any different? Well we have done it this way for forty years why change. I do not want change for the sake of change>>>But some change ever so often is nice>>>you are the guy working on Yamaha's as an alternative to the Honda. It sounds like a great idea to me, but during your development time motor design has changed again, I do not see anything wrong with that either. I am also for moving on as designs change. I bought a 1969 750 Honda Motorcycle in 1970, the serial number on the frame was like 650 something, it had broke a chain and threw it through the block. I repaired it and it was the fastest motorcycle around for a year or two. But I think Kawasaki or Yamaha came out with something bigger and faster, that is the way things work. This topic started out about the fear several racers felt about the then new BMW 1000cc motor being used and it making them uncompetitive:::SO>WHAT life goes on. To ban it from competition would be what country's call protectionism. That word "SUCKS" if we had protectionism in Medicine you and me would both be 6 feet under. The only thing it is good for is the halt of invention. When we stop learning or getting better we start Dying from decay within. I do not intend to bash TQ's or any other class of racing, all of them have merit. I throw stuff out and people respond>>>>I like that >>>>It keeps both me and them thinking and thinking is a good thing. I gave a friend of mine a link to a song that I guess I have always carried around in my head here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaPTweZ2_fI Just keep buttin your head Honest Dad himself